[2008Milan]

See, now you're just twisting my words. I said "unless RayBay is referencing a plate he made separately from Milan. If that's the case, I stand corrected."
I also said that Monoxide was referencing my R&D, not that he was looking to make his own. You must be a politician on your offtime.



Whether I machine my own parts or have someone machine them for me is irrelevant. Dates on a camera can be changed before taking pictures.

Point is, my product was concepted, designed, prototyped, tested, and put into manufacture for a fair price point, including all hardware, gaskets, and fittings to ensure a customer has literally everything they needed regardless of Ford manifold or Mazda manifold, including detailed picture instructions and my personal help with their install, while you had nothing more than a single post "saying" that you had a kit. If you truly, TRULY had been developing something, then sucks to be you to be slow to the game.

I'm not on here solely to sell my plates. I also offer my help regarding the swap details when I see posts that are relevant. I offer the same help on all the Mazda 6 boards and facebook pages. I've also been in contact with the admins to sell my product on here the LEGIT way, through the classifieds. Your single sole purpose on here seems to be nothing BUT sales.

I'll grant you the credit where its due. You put out the first product that at least got people up and running. But it didn't take long after that for folks to realize WHY they couldn't use the 2.5 throttle body, and if you were serious about product development, you would have been figuring out the tb kits a hell of a lot sooner. I needed such a kit for my own car, so I made it happen.

Now you are saying I lie about pic dates. I'm not computer wiz so that's not happening. LOL
More then a single post. Here I post about fitment of mounted 2.3 tb on 2.5 intake and how it "sticks out" date 3-21-16
Here is part of my post ""The Billet 2.3L TB to 2.5L intake adapter will kinda stick out because its right in front and abit larger then the small 2.5 TB.
As figuring out the plate sooner. I was talking about this 10 months , almost 1 year before others mentioned making.
This post dated 7-6-15 I talk about making plates post 32 2.3 to 2.5 engine swap - intake adapter plate - Page 4 - FordFusionClub.com : The #1 Ford Fusion Forum
"The port widths are the same on both engines. It's just the height that is different. The port size in my plate is exact size as 2.3 intake port. I could make a TB adapter plate but I didn't want to leave all the 2.3 charge plate solonoids not hooked up and throwing codes."

 

[Turd_Ferguson]

I forsee a race for patent...lol.

Milan.. your argument for the picture dating is weak, as any picture can be post dated and can be done with the camera itself and/or with a computer. You did mention: "I could make a TB adapter plate but I didn't want to leave all the 2.3 charge plate solonoids not hooked up and throwing codes."
So, while you have an un-patented concept you did nothing to this point to design, develope and test it as you were worried it would throw codes. So, after ifixthings did all those things to make a quality product and posted pics of it over two months ago.. you now reveal your own two months later. Let's not forget that a TB adapter (in various forms) is nothing new in automotive engineering.

I guess it's all a moot point now because both you and ifixthings will continue to sell your products regardlessly. The only reason you can sell your's cheaper is that you machined your own (after seeing the one ifixthings posted) and ifixthings hired a machinist. I can't disagree that the consumer will be the winner in all of this if the prices go down due to competition but, you should give some props where it's due because you couldn't figure out how to design one without throwing codes and you obviously borrowed (stole) ifixthings design concept.

 

[Turd_Ferguson]

This post dated 7-6-15 I talk about making plates post 32 2.3 to 2.5 engine swap - intake adapter plate - Page 4 - FordFusionClub.com : The #1 Ford Fusion Forum

Let 's refer to your post on fordfusionclub.com: 2.3 to 2.5 engine swap - intake adapter plate - Page 5 - FordFusionClub.com : The #1 Ford Fusion Forum Post #46 Date: 8/16/2016 10:56 p.m.:

(copied and pasted) "Hey guys I'd like to bring you my 2.3L TB to 2.5L intake adapter. From the ones that brought you the original plate that got many up and running when there was nothing else out there at the time. The main thing you guys might like is the PRICE. 50% off what others are charging. I will be selling this kit with all SS hardware for $75 BUT if you bought one of my original plates you can buy for $69 !!!!!!! To your door. I just ran off a dozen before I do the 100 part run."

Here's what your ad should have said:

Hey guys I'd like to bring you my 2.3L TB to 2.5L intake adapter that I stole from ifixthings since I couldn't figure how to make one without throwing codes. Yes, ifixthings went thorugh all the design, developing and testing and after seeing photos of his product and reading through his descriptions I have decided to make knock-offs of his, call them my own, and sell them cheaper because I'm a machinist and he is not. Hell, I'll do anything to undercut him even if I have to create 1000 of these and 950 of them will sit around my shop for years to come.

LOL.. can you feel that buddy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aiAdL8yy1Q

 

[2008Milan]

Let 's refer to your post on fordfusionclub.com: 2.3 to 2.5 engine swap - intake adapter plate - Page 5 - FordFusionClub.com : The #1 Ford Fusion Forum Post #46 Date: 8/16/2016 10:56 p.m.:

(copied and pasted) "Hey guys I'd like to bring you my 2.3L TB to 2.5L intake adapter. From the ones that brought you the original plate that got many up and running when there was nothing else out there at the time. The main thing you guys might like is the PRICE. 50% off what others are charging. I will be selling this kit with all SS hardware for $75 BUT if you bought one of my original plates you can buy for $69 !!!!!!! To your door. I just ran off a dozen before I do the 100 part run."

Here's what your ad should have said:

Hey guys I'd like to bring you my 2.3L TB to 2.5L intake adapter that I stole from ifixthings since I couldn't figure how to make one without throwing codes. Yes, ifixthings went thorugh all the design, developing and testing and after seeing photos of his product and reading through his descriptions I have decided to make knock-offs of his, call them my own, and sell them cheaper because I'm a machinist and he is not. Hell, I'll do anything to undercut him even if I have to create 1000 of these and 950 of them will sit around my shop for years to come.

LOL.. can you feel that buddy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aiAdL8yy1Q

Yeah ok When I had my plate made and mounted before anyone else. LOL I was talking about this 10 MONTHS before anyone else. And I ripped them off. Not. And your BOLD highlight of my 50% off is a bad thing? Me offering part for less then others is now bad. WTH

 

[ifixthings]

Yeah ok When I had my plate made and mounted before anyone else. LOL I was talking about this 10 MONTHS before anyone else. And I ripped them off. Not. And your BOLD highlight of my 50% off is a bad thing? Me offering part for less then others is now bad. WTH

His highlighting of your 50% less was actually pointing out that your math is actually pretty bad for a machinist. 50% of 120 is actually 60%. 75 is 50% of 150. Yes,you corrected that in a later post, but it's still there.

But I'm done with this. My product is already established, and is on its way to being sold through the classifieds here, along with my facebook page, every mazda group I'm in, and various Ford pages as well. Not too worried.



Turd, you've got me friggin rolling over here lol

 

[2008Milan]

His highlighting of your 50% less was actually pointing out that your math is actually pretty bad for a machinist. 50% of 120 is actually 60%. 75 is 50% of 150. Yes,you corrected that in a later post, but it's still there.

But I'm done with this. My product is already established, and is on its way to being sold through the classifieds here, along with my facebook page, every mazda group I'm in, and various Ford pages as well. Not too worried.



Turd, you've got me friggin rolling over here lol

I knew that was coming. That's why I corrected it in other post. Plus I could go off your Ebay price of $135 so 50% off that is 67.50 pretty darn close to it.

 

[ifixthings]

I knew that was coming. That's why I corrected it in other post. Plus I could go off your Ebay price of $135 so 50% off that is 67.50 pretty darn close to it.

Ugh...fucking ebay. Had to raise it there because of their fees. I offer it there only as a last resort for folks who want the assurance of paypal and ebay policies.

 

[2008Milan]

Ugh...fucking ebay. Had to raise it there because of their fees. I offer it there only as a last resort for folks who want the assurance of paypal and ebay policies.

I hear you there! I stopped selling on Ebay years ago. To much in fees and buyer has all the power. I hear alot of stories of people sending back box of rocks and keeping part.

 

[Turd_Ferguson]

Yeah ok When I had my plate made and mounted before anyone else. LOL I was talking about this 10 MONTHS before anyone else. And I ripped them off. Not. And your BOLD highlight of my 50% off is a bad thing? Me offering part for less then others is now bad. WTH

Actually, I was referring more to this part "what others are charging" As in others that already have their product on the market when you didn't even have one fabricated.

 

[Turd_Ferguson]

Turd, you've got me friggin rolling over here lol

Light-hearted ball busting... all in good jest.

My son finally got that evap clip off the fuel tank.. had to use two picks and a lot of patience. We used a plastic insert tool for the fuel line connecters and they popped off easily. The A-holes at the factory installed the filler neck to tank hose clamp screw facing up towards the chassis..just for additional laughs in the event that hacks like my son and I go DIY.

 

[ifixthings]

I hear you there! I stopped selling on Ebay years ago. To much in fees and buyer has all the power. I hear alot of stories of people sending back box of rocks and keeping part.

Ebay, the one pile of bull we can ALL agree on! I used to sell used motorcycle parts, whole lot of low cost items, 10-15 dollar range. Insert fees, final value fees, fees on your shipping cost (due to people that would sell 300 dollar stereos for 50 bucks with 250 shipping, because you know, god forbid you just penalize those idiots), etc etc. Suddenly I only have like 5 bucks per item I sold. I quit selling, wasn't worth it. Only recently restarted my selling there since they started giving you X amount of free insertions, and seem to have redone their fee schedule some. The highway stickups aren't as bad now as they were. But now its just as bad, because seller protection is nil. I've had 2 returns in the last couple months that in spite of my NO RETURNS and ALL SALES FINAL policies, combined with adequate pictures of the items, all details possible, ebay/paypal still just sides with the buyer and shafts the seller. First one, seller didn't use the return address on the item, paypal dug up an old address, item came up here, didn't get delivered, got sent back, buyer got his money, and I'm out money and item. 2nd one is a set of bi-xenon projectors from a set of ZKW BMW headlight housings, buyer gets the projectors, says they're from AL housings instead, and I'm fucked again. If ebay is gonna let me set ALL SALES FINAL and NO RETURNS, then why the fuck am I still getting my shit back? We need an alternative. Ebay done grown too big for it's britches....

 

[zoomtictac]

My friend has gone ahead and done this swap after my success. He has an 07, and did not need to do the cam swap. He is attempting to start the car and it will not start. He has checked timing. It is getting fuel. There is spark, but reportedly the spark is orange? All sensors are 2.3 except the engine coolant temp and vvt. Coils are 2.3 and all was working properly before the swap.

Am I missing something? Is it the orange spark? Would that be the plugs or are the coils bad? Is that reasonable to think all 4 coils are going? Car doesn't even sputter to try to start. Only cranks.

 

[madmatt2024]

Check all of the grounds. The other question is which injectors is he using?

 

[zoomtictac]

Check all of the grounds. The other question is which injectors is he using?

He said he has checked the grounds. Using the 2.5 injectors.

 

[SpecialEd]

Timing. Are we 110% sure the Crank pos sensor is in the right place? 110%?

If so, then no need to double check or triple check the timing, just re-time it. No sputter with fuel and spark equals timing.

 

[zoomtictac]

Yes he timed it 3 times. And that was after having to retime the first time, and rechecking it, based on being 180 out. So it was timed like 5 times lol.

Anyway, push comes to shove, it was compression. All 4 cylinders, dead. Which is insane to me. However, it was a junkyard special. He is able to return it, and has nailed down one with LKQ from a 2011 Escape. I told him good move, I believe they report that their motors are tested.

Thanks for all your suggestions, I can always count on M3f.

 

[antics]

Low compression wouldn't make it not start, it just wouldn't make as much power. It would have to be very low for it not to run. It'd have to be pretty bad off for a less than 5 year old engine to be that low. Still sounds like it was timing or some other issue. A valve opening early on the compression stroke could cause very low compression.

Hopefully if he goes through all this again he doesn't have problems. Maybe have him make an account here for help.

 

[madmatt2024]

Yes he timed it 3 times. And that was after having to retime the first time, and rechecking it, based on being 180 out. So it was timed like 5 times lol.

Anyway, push comes to shove, it was compression. All 4 cylinders, dead. Which is insane to me. However, it was a junkyard special. He is able to return it, and has nailed down one with LKQ from a 2011 Escape. I told him good move, I believe they report that their motors are tested.

Thanks for all your suggestions, I can always count on M3f.

That's crazy. Just about the only way to do that is to time it so wrong the first time that all the valves get bent.

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[DanHas3]

For all the folks that read this beginning to end, and are prepared to do the 2.5 swap, I've been producing the tb adapter kit to allow you to use your 2.3 throttle body on the 2.5 intake manifold, instead of trying to rig up a 2.3 intake manifold and restrict your intake ports. 2.5 has larger intake ports, makes no sense to block them with the wrong manifold.

Swapping a 2011 Fusion 2.5 into my 2005 3S HB 2.3 in a week or two and am looking for some clarification on use of the above adapter kit and a couple of other things.

1) Does the ifixthings adapter kit allow you to keep the 2.5 Fusion intake and use the 2.3 TB? Or, Is the reference there to the Mazda 2.5 intake manifold and not the Ford?

That is what I'd like to do, keep the Fusion intake and use the 2.3 TB. Makes more sense to keep the Fusion intake that mates up better with the head. I don't really want to have to get a Mazda 2.5 intake or a MS3/CX7 TB right now.

2) When using the TB adapter kit, Will the stock intake tubing still fit? I'm not running a CAI and really don't want to.

3) Though I've read every page of both swap threads I just wanted to clarify, For the above swap '11 Fusion 2.5 into '05 3S, you use the Fusion valve cover? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes but just checking.

 

[DanHas3]

Okay, reading more, it looks like since I'm swapping the oil pan I'll still have the same dipstick. If I use the Fusion valve cover, I'll have two dipsticks. So, gonna stick with the 2.3 valve cover.

There aren't any concerns over oil passages or coil fitment with the 2.3 valve cover on the 2.5 engine. Right?

Sorry, have read so much lately it's all kind of a jumble.

Thanks.