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Ch-ka-ch-ka-ch-ka engine noise only when wet or very humid conditions

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#1 ·
I have a 2007 5-door with 5-speed manual and 35k miles on it (yeah, the warranty is about to go).

When the outside air is wet and very humid, like with drizzly rain, when I start the car the engine makes a rather loud and fast ch-ka-ch-ka-ch-ka noise that speeds up and slows down with engine speed. The noise continues uninterrupted until the engine warms up at which point the noise stops. This happens ONLY in wet and very humid weather when I start up the car after it has been sitting for a while (i.e., has had a chance to cool down).

Usually it happens in the morning after sitting all night. It did that this morning after a night of drizzle. It did it again this afternoon after work after sitting all day in a morning of drizzle and 90% humidity. It did it again this evening after sitting for about an hour and a half during which time a brief shower went through, with humidity still at 90%.

I popped the hood and it sounds like the noise is coming from the passenger side of the engine somewhere near the top and the front. It DOESN'T sound like the noise that I've heard in the videos in other threads about engine noise. This is more of a high-pitched sound like a steam engine would make (chug-chug-chug, not the whistle!), not a ticking or slapping sound.

So far it has happened ONLY in wet\humid conditions and it always has gone away after the engine warms up. It does it pretty regularly in these conditions. Twice when it has made this noise I have taken it to the dealer, but of course by the time I get there the engine has warmed up and the noise has stopped and there's nothing for the dealer to hear but normal engine noise . . . now with my warranty about to run out I'm nervous that this might be a symptom of a bigger problem that will show itself when I am out of warranty.

Any ideas what this noise might be?

Thanks!

ggeinec
 
#2 ·
I have a noise that sounds like what you're describing. I haven't been able to pin point it yet. Sounds like a crackling type noise? Anyways, does it when the engine is cold for the most part. Or in wet/humid conditions. Every time I get a chance to take a look at it or get somebody else to look at it, it's gone because the engine is warm. BTW, I have a 07 4 spd ATX with about 35k on it also. It didn't do it when I first got it at around 30k. Just started within the past month or so.
 
#3 ·
could it be catalytic converter noise or exhaust noise? i remember sometime a car would do that as:
- the baffles inside warmed up and shifted as they expand?
or
- small amounts of condensation gets boiled off and makes that noise somehow?

i don't really remember, but it was some part of the exhaust that made a chika chika or tin crinkling sounds. i don't know if that would change along with engine speed though...hmmmm
 
#4 ·
Hey !!! It is raining since four days now and I have EXACTLY the same symptoms, when the engine is warm there is no more noise. two days ago thje sun was here and when I started my car ...no noise, the day after that rain again, and noise. to me It seems to come from the AC pump. But I really want to know what the Fudge is that and remediate to it. I have a 4 doors 2004 with 61000 miles.
PLEASE some help
 
#5 ·
I have always had that same noise under the exact same conditions on a totally cold start. I believe it's one of the belts slipping a tiny bit or something like that. I never thought too much about it, as it only happens for a couple minutes at most, and everything seems normal.

If you do get it checked out and find a solution, let us know :) but it's been happening on my car for pretty much forever and it hasn't ever gotten worse or led to any problems, so there's probably nothing to worry about.
 
#6 ·
This is the noise that caused me to take mine in a few months ago. It almost sounded like a leaking exhaust manifold gasket, but goes away once the car is warmend up, and when you rev the engine a little. It also sounds like it's coming from the passenger side of the engine too, right? I had my fan belt and tensioner replaced, which solved it for a few thousand miles. Then it came back, so I went back to the dealer, and they put a new a/c unit on the car. That fixed it too, until this morning when I went to start the car, and it's back. We've got drizzle in the air this morning, with lots of fog. Honestly, i think the root cause is the plastic belt tensioner piece. I think it gets moisture on it, and causes the belt to slip a little until it's warmed up. I've tried just about everything I know to do, and can't seem to get rid of it, so I'd have to say it's normal.
 
#7 ·
haha i have similar sound.. but those are lifters.. they are loud as shit !!!
 
#9 ·
oh... well i dont have that noise yet :) could it possibly be water pump pulley ?
 
#13 ·
It's the belt, trust me, i've been down this road already. if the bearings in the a/c were bad, it wouldn't ch-ka-ch-ka-ch-ka...it would whine. both times i took ours into the dealership, they replaced the belt too. the first time = belt and tensioner. Second time = belt and a/c unit. and i have that noise again too. everytime they put on a new belt, the noise goes away. a few thousand miles later, it's back. it's the belt wearing into the plastic idler tension pulley seat. if you can find a metal idle tension pulley, it would probably solve this annoying problem.
 
#14 ·
[quote author=lucaspl88 link=topic=131179.msg2816020#msg2816020 date=1229699944]
haha i have similar sound.. but those are lifters.. they are loud as shit !!!
[/quote]

[quote author=lucaspl88 link=topic=131179.msg2816243#msg2816243 date=1229707175]
oh... well i dont have that noise yet :) could it possibly be water pump pulley ?
[/quote]

Huh?
 
#15 ·
[quote author=NC211 link=topic=131179.msg2817783#msg2817783 date=1229785994]
[quote author=lucaspl88 link=topic=131179.msg2816020#msg2816020 date=1229699944]
haha i have similar sound.. but those are lifters.. they are loud as shit !!!
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[quote author=lucaspl88 link=topic=131179.msg2816243#msg2816243 date=1229707175]
oh... well i dont have that noise yet :) could it possibly be water pump pulley ?
[/quote]

Huh?


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lol read what i posted those comments after.. then you can go huh?...
read first..
i have a similar noise.. but i thought they are lifters.. thats the only noise i have. which does sound similar to what was described in the thread.... which is not exact.... since the one i have is coming out from lifters...
 
#16 ·
[quote author=NC211 link=topic=131179.msg2817781#msg2817781 date=1229785862]
It's the belt, trust me, i've been down this road already. ... snipped ... it's the belt wearing into the plastic idler tension pulley seat. if you can find a metal idle tension pulley, it would probably solve this annoying problem.
[/quote]

I wonder how many of us have this problem? It's pretty annoying. Today we had very high humidity and a very light off and on drizzle - no way any water would actually get on a belt other than by condensation. I went out to run an errand and as soon as I started the car there was the noise. I'm going to try to attach a .wav file of it here:

http://home.comcast.net/~gearl/sounds/MIC-2008-12-19_17h03m54s.wav

I recorded this back in December under similar conditions. It's about 1 min 28 secs long. It sounds best for the first third and the last third. This was recorded on my mp3 player while moving the player around the right front wheel where the noise seems to be the loudest.

The noise eventually goes away but there doesn't seem to be any pattern about what makes it stop. At least with my car it's not when the engine reaches normal operating temperature, nor a certain amount of distance traveled, nor a certain amount of elapsed time. It seems to stop when it wants to.

I wonder if this is causing damage other than the attention it draws from onlookers as I drive by ch-ka-ch-ka-ch-ka-ing along . . . :oops:

So, NC211, are you going to keep taking your car in to get the belt replaced or are you going to just live with it?

ggeinec
 
#18 ·
[quote author=cali_axela link=topic=131179.msg2996773#msg2996773 date=1237188840]
Dude, I thought my car was a bit loud on startup when damp/cold, but it is nowhere NEAR as bad as that WAV file, and only lasts for about 30 seconds then fades away. You should really get your belts/tensioners/pulleys looked at, that's not normal.
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Right, well, how long has your car been doing what it's doing? Because mine started out like you described yours but over time it has gotten worse as you heard in the wav file.

I've taken mine to the dealer twice for this issue but of course both times it wasn't making the noise anymore by the time I got there. Now I have the wav file. Maybe on my next oil change I'll let them listen to it and mention this thread as well . . .

ggeinec
 
#20 ·
[quote author=cali_axela link=topic=131179.msg2997297#msg2997297 date=1237222115]
If you can be without your car for a day, leave it overnight and tell them to listen to it carefully on the first cold start in the morning for awhile.
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Yes, I've considered that. And they wouldn't have to listen carefully. Everyone on the lot would be able to hear it!

The problem is my car only does it when it is rainy\drizzly with high humidity. Cold alone doesn't do it. It would be a crap shoot to leave my car there overnight to see if we get those weather conditions. On the other hand, sometimes the automated car wash I use (no touch of course!) can trigger the noise. I could take the mechanic there but it's a half hour from the dealer and it doesn't always trigger the noise . . .

By the way, I read in a Google search on this issue that there is a redesigned serpentine belt tensioner wheel that is made of metal and has ball bearings. At least one guy was able to buy one of these and replace it himself. Others say they still got the plastic wheel without bearings . . .

ggeinec
 
#21 ·
I had this noise as well, usually under light throttle and only when it was cold or wet. I just had the belts and tensioner repalced and for now it's gone, I guess I'll see if it comes back. The stock plastic tensioner pulley has a little play to it, so that may contribute, I've heard of a metal replacement, but so far haven't found one.
 
#23 ·
[quote author=ggeinec link=topic=131179.msg2996241#msg2996241 date=1237165190]
[quote author=NC211 link=topic=131179.msg2817781#msg2817781 date=1229785862]
It's the belt, trust me, i've been down this road already. ... snipped ... it's the belt wearing into the plastic idler tension pulley seat. if you can find a metal idle tension pulley, it would probably solve this annoying problem.
[/quote]

I wonder how many of us have this problem? It's pretty annoying. Today we had very high humidity and a very light off and on drizzle - no way any water would actually get on a belt other than by condensation. I went out to run an errand and as soon as I started the car there was the noise. I'm going to try to attach a .wav file of it here:

http://home.comcast.net/~gearl/sounds/MIC-2008-12-19_17h03m54s.wav

I recorded this back in December under similar conditions. It's about 1 min 28 secs long. It sounds best for the first third and the last third. This was recorded on my mp3 player while moving the player around the right front wheel where the noise seems to be the loudest.

The noise eventually goes away but there doesn't seem to be any pattern about what makes it stop. At least with my car it's not when the engine reaches normal operating temperature, nor a certain amount of distance traveled, nor a certain amount of elapsed time. It seems to stop when it wants to.

I wonder if this is causing damage other than the attention it draws from onlookers as I drive by ch-ka-ch-ka-ch-ka-ing along . . . :oops:

So, NC211, are you going to keep taking your car in to get the belt replaced or are you going to just live with it?

ggeinec
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We moved to a suburb of Chicago recently, and the noise came back big time. So, I simply said "enough of this" and got rid of the car last weekend. I went back to Toyota with a 01' Lexus GS430 with 56k miles. I also had the CEL light coming and going off with the temperature outside going above 45 degrees "light off", and below 45 degrees "light on". I pulled the code with my reader, and got the P00441 code, the evac thingy. Plus, my windshield had started making that rattle noises when the temp outside was below 50 degrees, due to the faulty clips. I called the dealership to schedule an appointment to fix everything, had the old dealership fax the repair history, and was set to give it another try. But when the kid on the phone told me "we've never heard of a windshield problem, have no fixes", and i told him "have the tsb for the Canadian repair", and he told me "this isn't Canada". I told him, "this isn't going to be my Mazda much longer". So, I don't know how to fix the problem. But I do know that I won't be buying another Ford engine for USA consumers again, period. Until the American auto makers quit giving us their lesser quality product in favor of their european product, my money goes to the overseas guys & gals. I, for the freakin' life of me, can't figure out why the GM and Ford cars in Europe are so much better than the USA cars. It really ticks me off. Just last night, I watched Top Gear, where Jeremy tested the new Ford Fiesta. It was the coolest looking Ford car I've ever seen. He loved it too, said it was simply fantastic. Think we'll see it here? Nope. Instead, we get that new Focus, which in my opinion looks like nothing more than a reinvented Tempo of the early 90's.
 
#24 ·
[quote author=NC211 link=topic=131179.msg3016484#msg3016484 date=1238000078]
We moved to a suburb of Chicago recently, and the noise came back big time. So, I simply said "enough of this" and got rid of the car last weekend.
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Well this certainly is disappointing news. :( Too bad it had to come to that. Good luck with the Lexus and good luck in your new location!

ggeinec
 
#25 ·
[quote author=ggeinec link=topic=131179.msg2996241#msg2996241 date=1237165190]
[quote author=NC211 link=topic=131179.msg2817781#msg2817781 date=1229785862]
It's the belt, trust me, i've been down this road already. ... snipped ... it's the belt wearing into the plastic idler tension pulley seat. if you can find a metal idle tension pulley, it would probably solve this annoying problem.
[/quote]

I wonder how many of us have this problem? It's pretty annoying. Today we had very high humidity and a very light off and on drizzle - no way any water would actually get on a belt other than by condensation. I went out to run an errand and as soon as I started the car there was the noise. I'm going to try to attach a .wav file of it here:

http://home.comcast.net/~gearl/sounds/MIC-2008-12-19_17h03m54s.wav

I recorded this back in December under similar conditions. It's about 1 min 28 secs long. It sounds best for the first third and the last third. This was recorded on my mp3 player while moving the player around the right front wheel where the noise seems to be the loudest.

The noise eventually goes away but there doesn't seem to be any pattern about what makes it stop. At least with my car it's not when the engine reaches normal operating temperature, nor a certain amount of distance traveled, nor a certain amount of elapsed time. It seems to stop when it wants to.

I wonder if this is causing damage other than the attention it draws from onlookers as I drive by ch-ka-ch-ka-ch-ka-ing along . . . :oops:

So, NC211, are you going to keep taking your car in to get the belt replaced or are you going to just live with it?

ggeinec
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This is the noise I just made a thread about earlier. So this noise is the belt/pulley system? Is this covered under warranty?