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2008 Mazda 3 2.3(120k mi) Cold/First Start Issue

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#1 ·
Ran into an issue that is sticking with my car recently. I had this happen once before when I took my car on a 500-700 mile road trip. After a few days it cleared up, now I made a few trips at the end of July, one was pretty far about 500 miles in a day. I noticed this mid that week where the car, the first time you start it after sitting for awhile, just cranks for 5 or so seconds before it starts. At this point it seems to take longer maybe, but I can turn the car immediately back off and it cranks on like normal and starts after a crank or two. So its strictly first start, doesnt need to be warm or anything for symptoms to disappear. It is also not random its every time. Also no CEL and I have tried clearing codes and such.

Troubleshooting I have tried:
New plugs
Stretched springs in coils
Seafoam through vacuum line
Fuel treatment
Battery seems to be fine and reseated connections.
Purge valve
Clean MAF
Fuel pump relay

Again at this point when I turn the car on if it has been off for an hour or so, it will go back into this 5 second or so start. I also have tried leaving the ignition on for a minute or so before starting and pressing the gas to help starting. The ignition on trick didnt seem to help. The gas pedal trick seemed to work before changing the purge valve.
I believe at least the purge valve was faulty due to the fact when I seafoamed the engine, turning the car off and pulling out the key it proceeded to continue to run until Im guessing all the seafoam was gone and die as if it ran out of fuel. I have never had that happen before with any vehicle or other times I have applied seafoam.
Im just looking for any ideas, Im hoping its not the fuel pump for obvious reasons. Although it is working and hasnt left me stranded, I dont want to put the extra stress on the starter.
 
#4 ·
How would I go about this?

I had the same issue. I had all sorts of theories. It always happened when I was on an incline. It turned out it was my battery. I guess, I suspect it was my battery. Three years later and it hasn't happened again.
Battery is fairly new, about 1-1.5 years old

Also for some context, I did a full ECU reset and after a few days, I had 1.5 days where the car acted completely normal, cold start, warm start, cranked right up. Now about 2 days later its the 5-8 second crank again
 
#3 ·
I had the same issue. I had all sorts of theories. It always happened when I was on an incline. It turned out it was my battery. I guess, I suspect it was my battery. Three years later and it hasn't happened again.
 
#5 ·
General batteries have a warranty because they sometimes do fail before they're supposed to. If you have a voltmeter and battery voltage is low replace with a new battery. Otherwise remove battery and take to a local parts place and they should be able to actually test it. Most problems have flow charts for proper diag for no start or hard start issues one of the first things you test is the battery even if it's a new battery. No one ever tests fuel pressure as the first step.
 
#7 ·
Doesn't matter for no start or hard start issues dish checking the battery is step 1. Because you might chase a sensor down buy and replace that sensor when really it was just the battery was too weak to provide the proper amount of voltage for the sensor to function.
 
#8 ·
Havent gotten around to getting a load test on the battery, we did one with a multimeter and everything seems fine 12.4 v and it drops down to like 10-10.5 on first crank. Also did a compression test and from what I found online maybe my compression tester is busted but I was getting between 80-90 psi cold or warm
 
#11 ·
So battery turns out to be fine, I havent had much time to do troubleshoot but I suspect its an electrical issue. If I turn the car from acc to on a few times before turning it on it seems to turn on consistently quickly after a few cranks. The Fuse seems to good and Ive tried a new relay and swapping them.

Anyone have any ideas