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So my wife and I "Share" my 09 MS3 Go-Kart so we are absolutely conserned with reliability and Gas Mileage.

The only mods we plan are CAI and turbo inlet. I am reading here and there and am trying to figure out if I "need" a turbo timer. correct me if I am wrong but aren't they purely a precautionary item to help cool your turbo as you shut down your rod?

I see there are some cheapies for around $40 bucks and some good ones for over $100 bucks. I do hit California Dragway, Pomona Dragway, and SCCA events occasionally but I am assuming since I am doing very little to mod'ing to my car I would not NEED one but SHOULD have one.

Since I am not all into tuning I should be OK with a cheapie right? How hard are they to install? Anybody got some advice or pics of their installs? Can you mount them anywhere free of water?
 

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different people here will tell you different things such as the new turbos don't need a cool down time while other will tell you that you should. It really is a matter of preference as the book says wait 30 seconds - 1 min before shutdown to cool properly.

As far as install usually 3 wires I believe Constant, Ignition and Ground/Parking some have a tach lead to which I have no idea where you would tap into. People will tell you to stay away from the cheap ones as you get what you pay for but if it is a precautionary measure and your not driving hard I don't think it would be a big deal.

If you look though the forums you should find some pics of installs usually people mount the interface to the TT under the DSC button but even saw one hidden in the center console (being you don't change the timer after its set usually)

Other then that it really is a matter of preference. It's not a bad idea I am running one off my alarm system and many others here are running them too so I am sure you will get plenty of info.

Hope that helps!
 

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TT FTW. You need to let it cool ;)

Apexi and Greddy are hands down the most popular on these boards.

Talk to Cordero over at timotorsports.com and he can get you familiarized with the install and even sell you a timer too.
 

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I like the Blitz since it's also a boost gauge and stopwatch/lap timer. It looks at how you've driven to decide how long to let the car run. It learns off the voltage spikes when you're on it hard, etc.
 

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Just sit in your car, finish listening to that song, turn off your mp3 player, put up your sunglasses and you should be good to go! haha

Don't run the hell out of the car right into your driveway or parking space and you'll be fine IMO.
 

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[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022519#msg3022519 date=1238211605]Don't run the hell out of the car right into your driveway or parking space and you'll be fine IMO.
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Running the heck out of your car means nothing. Anything above idle generates extra heat at the turbo.
 

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Do you need a TT? Probably not. Is it good to have one? I think so, it's just insurance. Really really easy to install. A basic turbo timer should only take a half hour or so to install.
On ignition wiring harness under the steering column cover
1) Power wire to thick red wire
2) Black to a ground somewhere,doesn't have to be on the wiring harness
3) First ignition/sensor wire to the green/yellow stripe wire
4) Second ignition/sensor wire to the pink/yellow stripe wire.
5) Parking brake wire to the wire off the bottom of the parking brake,makes sense huh?

Also, you don't have to completely remove the center cosole if you have the means to correctly snake the wire through. You can remove just the cup holders and parking brake lever cover.

Anyone feel free to correct my instructions if I am wrong. I am just going on memory.
 

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[quote author=Ryz link=topic=140185.msg3022869#msg3022869 date=1238245227]
[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022519#msg3022519 date=1238211605]Don't run the hell out of the car right into your driveway or parking space and you'll be fine IMO.
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Running the heck out of your car means nothing. Anything above idle generates extra heat at the turbo.
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Let's try something....You run the hell out of your car for a few miles and I will cruise about 200rpm (not in boost) above idle and let's see who can get their hand closer to the turbo. The point wasn't that there would not be extra heat, its HOW MUCH extra heat that could be a problem.

Plus, aren't our turbos water-cooled and not just oil-cooled? Add on top of that the fact you should have synthetic oil in your car (which isn't going to cook like dino) and you should be fine.

Be honest with this answer, how many people have actually experienced or even seen an issue with not letting the turbo cool down in the last 10 years? Most of the issues nowadays are from other things, not from whether you let your car idle for 15 secs vs. 30 secs. vs. 60 secs. after parking IMO.

Regardless, if you get a TT, get one that isn't the cheapest you can find. I think Viper makes a car alarm that has an integrated TT, at least that way you're getting something extra useful out of the money spent.
 

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[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022954#msg3022954 date=1238250995]
[quote author=Ryz link=topic=140185.msg3022869#msg3022869 date=1238245227]
[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022519#msg3022519 date=1238211605]Don't run the hell out of the car right into your driveway or parking space and you'll be fine IMO.
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Running the heck out of your car means nothing. Anything above idle generates extra heat at the turbo.
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Let's try something....You run the hell out of your car for a few miles and I will cruise about 200rpm (not in boost) above idle and let's see who can get their hand closer to the turbo. The point wasn't that there would not be extra heat, its HOW MUCH extra heat that could be a problem.

Plus, aren't our turbos water-cooled and not just oil-cooled? Add on top of that the fact you should have synthetic oil in your car (which isn't going to cook like dino) and you should be fine.

Be honest with this answer, how many people have actually experienced or even seen an issue with not letting the turbo cool down in the last 10 years? Most of the issues nowadays are from other things, not from whether you let your car idle for 15 secs vs. 30 secs. vs. 60 secs. after parking IMO.

Regardless, if you get a TT, get one that isn't the cheapest you can find. I think Viper makes a car alarm that has an integrated TT, at least that way you're getting something extra useful out of the money spent.
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<< 5701 Most of the "Higher End" ones have them in it now I know the responder series does as well.
 

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[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022954#msg3022954 date=1238250995]
[quote author=Ryz link=topic=140185.msg3022869#msg3022869 date=1238245227]
[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022519#msg3022519 date=1238211605]Don't run the hell out of the car right into your driveway or parking space and you'll be fine IMO.
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Running the heck out of your car means nothing. Anything above idle generates extra heat at the turbo.
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Let's try something....You run the hell out of your car for a few miles and I will cruise about 200rpm (not in boost) above idle and let's see who can get their hand closer to the turbo. The point wasn't that there would not be extra heat, its HOW MUCH extra heat that could be a problem. [/quote]

Wow Mr. Obvious strikes again. Also lets see how much driving you do at 800 rpm. I love how those in the know think that only under boost is heat gained. But you know he'll keep typing.
 

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[quote author=Ryz link=topic=140185.msg3022972#msg3022972 date=1238251940]
[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022954#msg3022954 date=1238250995]
[quote author=Ryz link=topic=140185.msg3022869#msg3022869 date=1238245227]
[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022519#msg3022519 date=1238211605]Don't run the hell out of the car right into your driveway or parking space and you'll be fine IMO.
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Running the heck out of your car means nothing. Anything above idle generates extra heat at the turbo.
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Let's try something....You run the hell out of your car for a few miles and I will cruise about 200rpm (not in boost) above idle and let's see who can get their hand closer to the turbo. <b>The point wasn't that there would not be extra heat, its HOW MUCH extra heat that could be a problem.</b> [/quote]

Wow Mr. Obvious strikes again. Also lets see how much driving you do at 800 rpm. I love how those in the know think that only under boost is heat gained. But you know he'll keep typing.
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I never said there would not be extra heat, quite the contrary actually, learn to comprehend what you are reading. The engine generates heat regardless, I said do not drive the piss (i.e. in boost) right before you park it and you said that it didn't matter. In your world whether its slightly above idle or 5k rpm going up a hill boosting the whole way, it doesn't matter apparently, heat is heat. Genius.

Midwestracer is right though, a TT is more of a insurance policy to make people feel better. If you are concerned I would get it so you feel better. Easy to install and cheap. Great combination.
 

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[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3023083#msg3023083 date=1238258840]
[quote author=Ryz link=topic=140185.msg3022972#msg3022972 date=1238251940]
[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022954#msg3022954 date=1238250995]
[quote author=Ryz link=topic=140185.msg3022869#msg3022869 date=1238245227]
[quote author=MZ32quick link=topic=140185.msg3022519#msg3022519 date=1238211605]Don't run the hell out of the car right into your driveway or parking space and you'll be fine IMO.
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Running the heck out of your car means nothing. Anything above idle generates extra heat at the turbo.
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Let's try something....You run the hell out of your car for a few miles and I will cruise about 200rpm (not in boost) above idle and let's see who can get their hand closer to the turbo. <b>The point wasn't that there would not be extra heat, its HOW MUCH extra heat that could be a problem.</b> [/quote]

Wow Mr. Obvious strikes again. Also lets see how much driving you do at 800 rpm. I love how those in the know think that only under boost is heat gained. But you know he'll keep typing.
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learn to comprehend what you are reading. [/quote]

Take your own advice. I said that ANY driving above idle generated heat.
 

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Good deal. Thanks, everyone. I take it, I do not NEED one but it is cheap and an insurance so why not? I guess I will shop around and see which will best fit my needs.

BTW, anyone going to the Solo2 event at El-Toro on Saturday (april 4)?
 

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I'd try asking in the regional sub-forum as you'll get more people from that general area. Good luck!
 
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