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Hey everyone, still in japan sorting things out. Had some time so i decided to ask a question hoping someone knowledgeable would shine some light on this subject. So my friend came back to japan (navy) after a brief visit back to the US. he bought somekinda vortex. He has a skyline here and just recently installed this thing. http://www.tornadofuelsaver.com/272/tornadofuelsaver/tfs.php Has anyone ever heard of this product? He said that it helps but it seems to me that the metal parts n such would block more air flow? i just helped him install it but he can't take it on a ride until he's off duty. Would this thing really work?
 

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Looks like snake oil to me. Right up there with the fuel saver tablets you put in the gas tank. Just my .02.
 

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Looks like snake oil to me. Right up there with the fuel saver tablets you put in the gas tank. Just my .02.
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Ditto. You will just be pissing money away.
 

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Do enough google searches and you will see it does nothing more than restrict air flow.
 

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We already have one in our cars and IT WORKS (at least makes more power, but fuel mileage goes to s--t) it's call a TURBOCHARGER. Those things are not worth the cost of the packaging they come in.
 

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I don't think you can put those in turbo'd cars, but I wouldn't put that thing anywhere near any of my cars. I bet it could do some serious damage to your engine.
 

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The idea behind the "Tornado" and other products like it is whats called an air vortex. The name of the product does exactly what it says; it creates a tornado in your intake pipe. When air comes in through the air filter and into the ducting it is thrown about and is very turbulent. The fins on the device "grab" the air and send it into a spiral. The spiraling air is supposed to be less restricted because it is more "organized" as it travels into the engine. Try walking through a doorway with four other people shoulder to shoulder. Then try walking through there front to back. You tell me which method is going to get you through the doorway faster. I've never heard of one of these things coming apart and being sucked into the engine, but it may have happened. The product will not give you any massive gains, nor will you be able to say "well after I put it in I could FEEL that the car had more power." This device is designed to give the consumer a very modest gain in fuel economy. One that you will see but dont be looking for any significant horsepower increase.
 

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it doesnt matter how organized the air is going into the intake if the injectors are still spraying the same amount of fuel into the cylinder. All fuel saving products are myths...some can even damage your engine. For instance one myth is putting a certain amount of water into your fuel so you dont have to fill your tank up as much. It will work on Forced induction cars if you do the mixture right but you will lose power and its not good for the engine... N/A car would just die. best way to save fuel is only drive when you have to...accelerate at a slow(sometimes confused with mature) rates while shifting early(low RPMs). Dont leave the car running longer than you have to and last but not least coast as much as possible. The modern engine uses no fuel when you are completely off the throttle and in gear (in neutral the engine has to use a little bit of gas to stay running).
 

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[quote author=usmcbugle85 link=topic=72159.msg1271402#msg1271402 date=1174062205]
The idea behind the "Tornado" and other products like it is whats called an air vortex. The name of the product does exactly what it says; it creates a tornado in your intake pipe. When air comes in through the air filter and into the ducting it is thrown about and is very turbulent. The fins on the device "grab" the air and send it into a spiral. The spiraling air is supposed to be less restricted because it is more "organized" as it travels into the engine. Try walking through a doorway with four other people shoulder to shoulder. Then try walking through there front to back. You tell me which method is going to get you through the doorway faster. I've never heard of one of these things coming apart and being sucked into the engine, but it may have happened. The product will not give you any massive gains, nor will you be able to say "well after I put it in I could FEEL that the car had more power." This device is designed to give the consumer a very modest gain in fuel economy. One that you will see but dont be looking for any significant horsepower increase.
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Ok, on your analogy, when the organized people walk down the hall, they then get pulled into a jet engine (the turbo) and get sliced to shit. Tell you what, send me $5 and I will tell everyone that you have the fastest or more efficient Speed 3 in the country. You will get better gains from my method and you won't even have to lift the hood to do it. Send the funds via Paypal and you can tell your friends its a computer mod.
 

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[quote author=Midak link=topic=72159.msg1271630#msg1271630 date=1174069049]
[quote author=usmcbugle85 link=topic=72159.msg1271402#msg1271402 date=1174062205]
The idea behind the "Tornado" and other products like it is whats called an air vortex. The name of the product does exactly what it says; it creates a tornado in your intake pipe. When air comes in through the air filter and into the ducting it is thrown about and is very turbulent. The fins on the device "grab" the air and send it into a spiral. The spiraling air is supposed to be less restricted because it is more "organized" as it travels into the engine. Try walking through a doorway with four other people shoulder to shoulder. Then try walking through there front to back. You tell me which method is going to get you through the doorway faster. I've never heard of one of these things coming apart and being sucked into the engine, but it may have happened. The product will not give you any massive gains, nor will you be able to say "well after I put it in I could FEEL that the car had more power." This device is designed to give the consumer a very modest gain in fuel economy. One that you will see but dont be looking for any significant horsepower increase.
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Ok, on your analogy, when the organized people walk down the hall, they then get pulled into a jet engine (the turbo) and get sliced to shit. Tell you what, send me $5 and I will tell everyone that you have the fastest or more efficient Speed 3 in the country. You will get better gains from my method and you won't even have to lift the hood to do it. Send the funds via Paypal and you can tell your friends its a computer mod.
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ok smart ass. First of all never did I say I have used one. I also didnt say that I endorsed the product or the idea behind it. The guy asked a question on how it worked and if it would break and damage his engine. I would never use one of those things on my car just because even if there were any gains they would be so negligible that it wouldnt be worth the money.
 

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In the intake runner, you might (most likely still no difference) see a benefit, in the intake piping, you're clogging your intake and causing turbulence. You should pay a stupid tax if you buy one.
 

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[quote author=usmcbugle85 link=topic=72159.msg1272227#msg1272227 date=1174090750]
[quote author=Midak link=topic=72159.msg1271630#msg1271630 date=1174069049]
[quote author=usmcbugle85 link=topic=72159.msg1271402#msg1271402 date=1174062205]
The idea behind the "Tornado" and other products like it is whats called an air vortex. The name of the product does exactly what it says; it creates a tornado in your intake pipe. When air comes in through the air filter and into the ducting it is thrown about and is very turbulent. The fins on the device "grab" the air and send it into a spiral. The spiraling air is supposed to be less restricted because it is more "organized" as it travels into the engine. Try walking through a doorway with four other people shoulder to shoulder. Then try walking through there front to back. You tell me which method is going to get you through the doorway faster. I've never heard of one of these things coming apart and being sucked into the engine, but it may have happened. The product will not give you any massive gains, nor will you be able to say "well after I put it in I could FEEL that the car had more power." This device is designed to give the consumer a very modest gain in fuel economy. One that you will see but dont be looking for any significant horsepower increase.
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Ok, on your analogy, when the organized people walk down the hall, they then get pulled into a jet engine (the turbo) and get sliced to shit. Tell you what, send me $5 and I will tell everyone that you have the fastest or more efficient Speed 3 in the country. You will get better gains from my method and you won't even have to lift the hood to do it. Send the funds via Paypal and you can tell your friends its a computer mod.
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ok smart ass. First of all never did I say I have used one. I also didnt say that I endorsed the product or the idea behind it. The guy asked a question on how it worked and if it would break and damage his engine. I would never use one of those things on my car just because even if there were any gains they would be so negligible that it wouldnt be worth the money.
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No need to get your panties in a bunch but you sure sounded like an info-mercial for them fucking things so if you dont know shit about it, STFU!
 

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tell him to take the damn thing out before it gets sucked into his engine and really does damage.... i guess that is how you save money on gas though..... if you cant drive it cuz the engine is broke, then you end up saving a ton on gas!!!!!
 

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wow really? maybe i should take it off before he gets off the base tonight. i drove his car this morning and it seemed fine... but if theres risk of it acutally being sucked in....
 

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I am sorry to say this, but ARE YOU F'ING KIDDING ME??

People still believe in this crap. It has been brought up in every other Forum EVER created.. I think I even saw a post in a photography forum about it, and THEY EVEN KNEW IT WAS RETARDED.

Please stop believe this garbage and bring a good name back to our soldiers....
 

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if i had a skyline, i wouldnt try to mess with cheap stuff ppl put into their escorts and geo's.

Tell him to stick with normal stuff in my opinion.

Like everyone said,

most likely a myth.
 

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[quote author=MS3 Sport link=topic=72159.msg1272536#msg1272536 date=1174099787]
wow really? maybe i should take it off before he gets off the base tonight. i drove his car this morning and it seemed fine... but if theres risk of it acutally being sucked in....
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no there's no risk of it being sucked in, but it is worthless for most cars.

most cars today are controled my computers (ecu) that, for emissions control reasons, will only allow a certain amount of fuel to be delivered, depending on the actual volume of air passing through the sensor (MAF). Swirling the air around before it gets to the combustion chamber, or even the intake manifold is stupid and just restricts the volume of air and reduces maximum performance. can it improve mileage? maybe, since it's slowing you down...lol

these companies rely on the people that are too lazy to demand a refund.
 

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you cannot say no risk of it being sucked into the intake. I have seen them stuck sideways in an intake tube we had to cut it out with tin snips. do some google searches and you will get pics of worse.
 

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i assumed engine meant actually in the engine, not just further into the intake system. sorry

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tell him to take the damn thing out before it gets sucked into his engine and really does damage.... i guess that is how you save money on gas though..... if you cant drive it cuz the engine is broke, then you end up saving a ton on gas!!!!!
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i'll concede that if little pieces of it break off, that could get into the engine. :?

in any case, i'd would remove it, btjmo
 

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the purpose of it creating turbulence in the air stream has nothing to do with velocity. if it were to create more velocity, you would have MORE incoming air, therefore MORE fuel needed, thus less MPG. Most manufacturers these days use variable runner intake manifolds, a short runner at idle for a smooth idle and low fuel consumption, a long runner in low/mid RPM's for more velocity and more torque, and back to the short runner at high rpm since the air now has velocity and we need horsepower now, not so much torque. Mercedes-Benz now uses swirl flaps right before the intake valves to more effectively achieve that of which the tornado is trying to do.

The purpose of the tornado is to add turbulence. If you make the incoming charge bounce around and swirl, this will create a more efficient mixture when it's introduced to the fuel therefore needing less fuel for your burn, which your o2's will see and adjust the mixture accordingly. They DO work, i can't say they do on FI cars, but on an NA car with a conventional intake manifold they can reduce your MPG, assuming you didn't go buy some cheap discount auto parts o2 sensors.
 
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