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I think I read on mazda6club they stopped doing the one touch close b/c it poses a hazard-what if someone sticks their hand up in there and the moonroof closes anyway? (yes I know-what idiot would do that? but it's a safety feature anyway) The 6's sunroof does have one touch open though, don't know about the 3-I would assume it does though.6_funk said:
The sunroof is still small IMO, though when fully opened it goes back about another inch and a half and takes the sunshade with it which was a welcome surprise.It sounds like a good safety feature in one way, but what if you *want* the window to close and trap someone's arm (thief for example) rather than opening up and leaving you exposed to whatever they decide to throw at you? I think some car alarm systems are made such that you can use the window to do this. This type of theft is very real in some parts of the world.Absinthe said:
Um... why don't you just keep the window up if you don't want people reaching inside?
Although, what you describe sounds like an old way to catch raccoons. Take a jar and circle the opening with nails slanted inward. Then put some goodies inside. The raccoon can get in, but can't get out without tearing off his hand, so he's caught red handed... literally.
I always thought, however, that the whole point of alarm systems and the like is deterrence, not apprehension.
Although, what you describe sounds like an old way to catch raccoons. Take a jar and circle the opening with nails slanted inward. Then put some goodies inside. The raccoon can get in, but can't get out without tearing off his hand, so he's caught red handed... literally.
I always thought, however, that the whole point of alarm systems and the like is deterrence, not apprehension.
Now why didn't I think of that? :roll: Sarcasm has a time and a place. I like to open the windows sometimes. It's nice not to be completely isolated from everything around you once in a while. By extension would you argue that I should stay home if I don't want to be attacked? Neither solution makes sense. It's a matter of having the tools to protect oneself. Technology is good when it's progressive.
Have you ever driven in Lima, Peru? Thieves there are very bold. They will reach through your car window and steal the necklace around your neck if you give them an opening. Although I use that city as an example, the type of theft that I've described is not limited to Peru. It's just that that city is notorious for it. A colleague of mine was there this summer and almost lost her purse. She prevented it by doing exactly what I've told you about rolling up the window. Talk to your police dept. and you might be surprised what's going on in our own city. The quickest thing to do if someone reaches into your window is to roll up the window, trapping their arm in it, then release briefly and and jet. It may be a one in every 100 type of crime, but if you're that one person then 1/100 is jsut a stupid statistic. I'm sure there have been carjackings in your city. That's a lot higher risk than just reaching in and grabbing something. If my car is going to automatically prevent the window from rolling up because a criminal has his hand in the way...
Regarding alarm systems, they're not single-purpose anymore. I don't know when you last had a look at aftermarket alarm systems (from your comments I am assuming you're not aware of their current abilities), but those available now have a lot of other features that their designers have decided may be useful in protecting vehicle owners, and not just the vehicles themselves. My current car alarm has a "panic" mode that can be activated if necessary. Others have built-in features to roll up the window specifically in case someone reaches in uninvited. They can lock and unlock all doors or just the driver's door, either remotely or when you step on the brake pedal. They can open and close windows, sound a panic alarm, etc. It's a different ballgame than it used to be.
Have you ever driven in Lima, Peru? Thieves there are very bold. They will reach through your car window and steal the necklace around your neck if you give them an opening. Although I use that city as an example, the type of theft that I've described is not limited to Peru. It's just that that city is notorious for it. A colleague of mine was there this summer and almost lost her purse. She prevented it by doing exactly what I've told you about rolling up the window. Talk to your police dept. and you might be surprised what's going on in our own city. The quickest thing to do if someone reaches into your window is to roll up the window, trapping their arm in it, then release briefly and and jet. It may be a one in every 100 type of crime, but if you're that one person then 1/100 is jsut a stupid statistic. I'm sure there have been carjackings in your city. That's a lot higher risk than just reaching in and grabbing something. If my car is going to automatically prevent the window from rolling up because a criminal has his hand in the way...
Regarding alarm systems, they're not single-purpose anymore. I don't know when you last had a look at aftermarket alarm systems (from your comments I am assuming you're not aware of their current abilities), but those available now have a lot of other features that their designers have decided may be useful in protecting vehicle owners, and not just the vehicles themselves. My current car alarm has a "panic" mode that can be activated if necessary. Others have built-in features to roll up the window specifically in case someone reaches in uninvited. They can lock and unlock all doors or just the driver's door, either remotely or when you step on the brake pedal. They can open and close windows, sound a panic alarm, etc. It's a different ballgame than it used to be.
I thought you meant while having your car parked. It made no sense to me why someone would leave their windows open while their car was parked. It seemed almost to me like leaving the top down on a convertible and leaving 20 bucks on the seat; of course it's going to get stolen.
But as to your wishes for an auto up window without a sensor, I doubt it would ever happen, for the same reason there are sensors on garage doors. All it takes is one damaged limb and a multimillion dollar lawsuit to realize it wasn't a good idea.
But as to your wishes for an auto up window without a sensor, I doubt it would ever happen, for the same reason there are sensors on garage doors. All it takes is one damaged limb and a multimillion dollar lawsuit to realize it wasn't a good idea.
Actually, I don't want auto up windows. I have no problem holding the button down until the window is fully rolled up. I was just suggesting that the sensor probably isn't always a good idea. I hadn't heard of the sensor until this thread and it struck me as something that could be destructive in some instances rather than serving the constructive purpose that the engineers envisioned. If it could be disabled by the owner but came enabled by default, though, that might be useful.
Did you break any people?
I'm just really having trouble seeing justification for them... I mean, that could get real dangerous. Obviously the windows have to go up with some speed and power, in order to actually catch anyone. Someone reaches inside for you, windows go up, arm gets caught, you panic and speed away with some guy caught in your window... his arm either breaks in half or he's battered by the road, or most likely both.
Yeah, sure he tried to steal from you, but that kind of scenario could result in the loss of human life.
I'm just really having trouble seeing justification for them... I mean, that could get real dangerous. Obviously the windows have to go up with some speed and power, in order to actually catch anyone. Someone reaches inside for you, windows go up, arm gets caught, you panic and speed away with some guy caught in your window... his arm either breaks in half or he's battered by the road, or most likely both.
Yeah, sure he tried to steal from you, but that kind of scenario could result in the loss of human life.
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Similar to VW also. That's the safety feature.D said:
Of course, my car is still pretty quiet, I'm afraid to break the seal, so I wouldn't know yet. :twisted:
Alright, I'm confused. So we're talking about getting an alarm that can roll up all the windows when you're in it incase someone tries to get in? Not when the car is parked with the windows down? Can't you do that with your hand?
And, if you're planning on driving through Lima Peru, you might want to think about getting one of these...http://www.babez.de/bmw/760protect.php.
Or if you really want to leave your windows down when parked, check this out...
http://cultofthewolf.org/blackguy.html.
Craig
And, if you're planning on driving through Lima Peru, you might want to think about getting one of these...http://www.babez.de/bmw/760protect.php.
Or if you really want to leave your windows down when parked, check this out...
http://cultofthewolf.org/blackguy.html.
Craig
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