Well long story short the camaro i have driven for two years now is just too old, to beat, and too cancerous (never go to school in the salt belt with a car that is only 2-3inchs off the ground) to really be worth putting back together, not to mention gas prices. (she does okay, about 16mpg hard core city, and 25-27mpg on the highway at 85mph for about 400+miles depending on wind and how heavy my foot becomes) So long story short i am looking very hard at the Mazda three (US Spec) 5door manual. I am not much of one for options and quite frankly base the hatch comes with more than i want, but everyone does all these damned packages so its hard to get exactly what you want. (heck i wish there was an A/C delete option and a manual windows and locks wouldn't be bad either.) So i would be getting a base 5door 5spd. What have you guys seen these go for, or bought them for? I mean i figure around 17.5 should cover it, but who knows. Gimme some feed back, and thanks for the looks see, hope to become a memeber. (assumeing that RX8 i drove doesn't magically appear in my driveway) 8)