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Sorry for the long letter, but this is what my wife and I sent to the HOA last night.

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April 21st, 2008

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am contacting you to complain about our neighbors (------------) due to a serious altercation that occurred this evening and an ongoing issue we have been having with our neighbors. The ongoing issue that has been occurring is that their son has been causing excessive amounts of noise as late as midnight to the point where my wife and I cannot sleep and the noise wakes our son up (who is 2 months old). We have asked them nicely on several occasions if they could try to keep his noise down (mostly running and stomping, sometimes screaming), especially late at night. We have at times not always addressed the issue appropriately (banging on the walls for them to keep the noise down). Generally the problem has gotten better, for a short period of time (never more then a week). My wife went over to ask if they could keep the noise level down and the female neighbor instantly exploded in to yelling. The neighbor yelled it was inappropriate to be knocking on their door at night, it was 8:30pm, and accused of us being poor neighbors for not saying hello every time we saw them and then refused to hear my wife out. My wife told the neighbor that we put our son to bed at 8pm and that their noise frequently wakes him up and keeps us awake. The neighbor informed us that they go to bed at 10:30pm and they were unwilling to compromise on noise levels at any time of the day. The neighbors suggested that “we bring in a specialist to learn to acclimate to the noise levels” and that we were being “overly sensitive”. At times we have had to raise our voices to hear each other sitting over dinner the noise has been so loud.

Through out this heated conversation my wife tried numerous times to calm the neighbor and speak to her in reasonable tones frequently trying to suggest ways to compromise and meet in the middle, specifically my wife suggested both us and the neighbors try to be quite by 9:15pm which seemed a reasonable compromise to our different lifestyles, but the neighbor refused to do anything but yell at my wife and insult her on several occasions. We are quite willing to attempt to reach a compromise, but our neighbors seem to be unwilling to even admit that it is any sort of problem whatsoever. One night the noise level was so bad that we were forced to call the police to come by and speak to them as they refused to answer their door when we knocked. We also delivered a letter to them requesting in the nicest way possible that we would like to be good neighbors, be respectful and reach a compromise on noise levels (I can provide a copy of the letter if requested). Viewing the Brightfield Declaration of Covenants, Easements, Charges and Liens under section 9.3 Nuisances, the neighbors appear to be in violation of the portion, “No noxious or offensive activity shall be carried on upon any lot or dwelling…no condition shall be maintained thereon, so as to render any lot or dwelling or portion thereof...unreasonably offensive or detrimental, or a nuisance, to any of the community, any occupant thereof or any property.”

We are quite prepared to reach a compromise on noise levels and time of day. What steps can the HOA take to help alleviate the situation? We would be quite willing to agree to mediation and we would like your advice on what our next step should be. We are prepared to pursue this to the fullest extent of the law as it has become an intolerable living situation for us. We are hoping that this is, of course, not required.

Thank you very much,
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Basically to fill you in my wife went next door to ask them if they could try to keep the noise down and the woman just exploded on my wife. I mean off her friggen rocker. Saying crap like "Do you know how to parent, 10:30 at night normal for child to go to bed", okay, I don't know what country you are from, but no, 10:30 at night isn't a normal bed time for a 3 year old child. Oh, and also saying things like "do you know how to read?". To top it off they think we are bad neighbors because we have never introduced ourselves to their son (I am not walking up to a 3 year old and introducing myself, I am a stranger to the kid, if the parents want to introduce him, by all means) and because we don't smile at them all the time. WTF!?! Are you derranged? We have generally been friendly in the past. Heck we DO smile at them a lot. Maybe not all the time, but heck we don't smile and say hello every single time we see our other next door neighbors who we DO like a lot and are friendly with (cookouts, that sort of thing).

My wife did her damnedest to try to calm the woman down and speak to her in a resonable tone of voice but that woman was having none of it.

So basically we sent this letter to the HOA last night and we are waiting to hear back from them. Hopefully there is something they can do about it, because the neighbor isn't even willing to be resonable at this point in time. I get that a 3 year old isn't always going to be quite, but parenting has something to do with it here. Heck, we would even settle for being able to knock or give a call over if we feel it is getting really bad (in the 15 months we have lived next to them we have knocked maybe 5 times plus the letter we gave to them and calling the cops once when they refused to answer the door and the noise was REALLY bad, hell before when we were banging on the walls we might do that once a week even though the noise was enough to be annoying or keep us up probably every day or two). I get that a kid might not be quite right away, but tell us you are at least trying to keep him quite maybe a "we are sorry, he is just in one of his moods tonight, we are trying to keep him quite". That would be MORE then enough to make us happy. They aren't willing to do any of that.

As far as they are concerned we should learn to deal with it and they don't want to hear about it bothering them (she said exactly that, that we should never knock on their door at night and that we should talk about it some other time if it bothers us. Like what? We should knock the next day at 4pm when you are really noisy the night before? Like that is going to work (PS, we have tried knocking the following day to talk to them and they refused to answer the door...we knew they were home then)). We have told them on several occasions that the noise bothers us and it doesn't seem to fix the problem.

I think another issue is that they don't have ANY furniture on their first floor. I mean it, nothing. Just pergo and linolium floors. Pretty sure it is pergo floors on their second floors as well based on what their steps look like. I would LOVE to buy them rugs to put down to try to muffle this son's running if they would actually use them even.

I am just so pissed at this point.
-Matt
 

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stupid neighbors suck. I live in an apartment now and our neighbors smoke. The stench seaps through our walls and the outlets and is almost unbearable.

We are building a house and we have talked to most of the neighers. They all seem like they are going to be pretty nice. The only real downside is there are 5 kids in the house to our right and 4 kids in the house to our left. I'm not looking forward to the parking situation in 10 years :lol:
 

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Ouch, situations like those are frustrating. Just tryin to understand the situation a little better, is this like a townhouse type building and you share a wall with the neighbor next door? I think you took the right path by contacting your Home Owner's Association and I agree that noise that late is uncalled for. Your neighbor's total lack of respect is appalling and I'm impressed you've restrained yourself this long, I don't think I could have. :lol:
 

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Wow, those are some seriously bad neighbors. We used to have an elephant upstairs who also had a child. We always knew what room both of them were in - the kid would run everywhere (but was put to bed early, thankfully) and the elephant would thunder-stomp slowly around the apartment, typically between the bedroom, kitchen and living room. It really wasn't horrible just annoying, they would at least quiet down at night - definitely not as bad as your neighbors. It was just the kind of small annoyance that was really unwelcome on a bad day.

Btw, just a heads up - I noticed that you typoed 'quiet' as 'quite' in your letter. Hope everything gets worked out, it seems that those people are being completely unreasonable. Maybe the HOA can threaten fines or something to get them to shape up. Good luck!
 

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Thanks guys (for the corrections and otherwise).

Yes we are in a Townhouse. We are crossing our fingers that he grows out of this soon or that we can come to a resonable agreement.

The noise situation would be much less annoying if we knew that they were trying to keep him quite or do something about it. But it just to the point where anytime we hear him (which is at least a few dozen times a day) our blood pressure is just through the roof because of the whole situation.

I would seriously offer to buy them some inexpensive rugs to put down on the floor to help muffle things if they would let us. I get that you can't always control a small child and that small children like to run and play, but you have to keep it within resonable limits (and especially at a time of night when a lot of people would be settling down for bed or trying to sleeP), especially when you do live attached to someone else.
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for a while i was having the opposite problem.. i had one annoying neighbor who kept calling the police on me for practicing with my band..

we do not practice louder than we have to, i can only drum so softly on a set of acoustic drums. the amps are set to match my level, etc. and we practice at like 330 in the afternoon. she complains she cant sleep, her walls are shaking, etc. which is not true. her house is two houses down on the SAME SIDE of the street and the neighbors across have no issues with it, nor do the neighbors who border the room we practice in.

^summary with lots of details left out, including her immaturity, cursing at me, blocking my driveway and acting obnoxious, etc.

thankfully they are quiet now. sorry to threadjack :lol:

edit: sorry, i forgot my input :lol: if it gets really bad, maybe ask them to move it into one room and put up insulation (recording studio quality) on the walls and shut the door.. this may help keep the sound in their side. that in addition to allowing them to practice anytime EXCEPT after 8 (or something along those lines)

hope you can get it worked out..
 

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The only way you can make walls vibrate is with amps. Even then its risky cause you could blow the amp. The loudest thing ive found in a jam is accoustic drums. My speakers can go soooo loud too. My friend and i realized once you turn it up max, it goes further. To boost 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11.
 

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Matt,

I am evil and would take things into my own hands.

Try leaving your stereo on and pointed at there walls next time you leave for work, go out of town or are going to be gone for a extended period of time. A few weeks of that should get the point across. Or if you and your wife wake up early for work (which it seems these people dont do if they are staying up so late) crank the stereo up then. It's extremely annoying when something like this is happening I have experienced it.

If all else fails drill a hole into their house and start filling it with water, insects or a variety of noxious gasses.

Just be creative I am sure you can think of something :)

- Ted

PS: My fiance and mom keep telling me I need to go to anger management class....
 

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^^^^ My brother is goin'. His wife almost left him 3 times because of it, on top of his road rage (He cuts people off by inches, follows them and gets out the car).
 

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[quote author=USAF_TRobertson link=topic=109719.msg2256984#msg2256984 date=1208970100]
Matt,

I am evil and would take things into my own hands.

Try leaving your stereo on and pointed at there walls next time you leave for work, go out of town or are going to be gone for a extended period of time. A few weeks of that should get the point across. Or if you and your wife wake up early for work (which it seems these people dont do if they are staying up so late) crank the stereo up then. It's extremely annoying when something like this is happening I have experienced it.

If all else fails drill a hole into their house and start filling it with water, insects or a variety of noxious gasses.

Just be creative I am sure you can think of something :)

- Ted

PS: My fiance and mom keep telling me I need to go to anger management class....
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A lot of me is tempted to, but we have neighbors on the other side of us that we really like and we don't want this spilling over on them (even with the stereo pointed that one neighbors wall, if it is loud enough the other neighbors will probably hear it).

That is one of things I don't get, this kid is up till 10:30 or sometimes 11 o'clock most nights (and midnight plus occasionally), but is up by about 8am most mornings, that can't be healthy for him (most toddlers need 10-13hrs a night, thats maybe 9hrs before we hear him banging around again, and he might be up even before that, just not banging around). I think part of the issue here is that the parts won't/don't discipline their son, combine that with some sleep anxiety on his part and he doesn't want to go to sleep until his parents are going to bed (which is 10:30ish) and they aren't willing to put him to bed before they go to bed.

Anyway, it all just pisses me off. From now on my wife are going to be overly friendly and make a point to say hello everytime we see them. Kill em with kindness I say. Oh and pursue what the HOA can do about all of this.

Howard County noise ordinances stipulate daytime as 7am-10pm, so power tools can't be used outside of these hours. My wife and I are redoing our kitchen and ground floor floors (bamboo) this summer. I think we will find a weekend when our beloved next door neighbors are visiting their parents in New Jersey and pick that weekend to do the work so we can be using power saws starting at 7am for the fun of it. See if the neighbors get the message that if they are going to be rude and inconsiderate we will be at least as bad right back.
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Damn, my only complaint with my neighbor, is that he has this god damn motion light detector that can detect me getting out of my car 60 feet away and it comes on and will stay on for the rest of the god damn night.

I'm about to go rip it off of his house.
 

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That would probably annoy me a little, but that sounds like a pretty minor annoyance. I have our front door light set on motion detector on high sensitivity and 2 minute on time (options are only while detecting motion, which means about 2s after you stop moving it turns off, annoying for trying to get your keys out and get in the door at night), 2 min and 5 min. My back deck and under deck lights are at medium sensitivity and 1 min (options on them are the same only while motion, 1 min and 3 min).

My front door light turns on when you are probably 30ft from the door, the back lights come on when you are maybe 20ft from them. Some of my neighbors leave their light on all night. Which I think is semi okay, maybe, but what is annoying as all of them who do this have incandescent bulbs.

I mean seriously, if there is a better use for a flourescent or LED bulb I can't think of one. They would probably save the cost of the flourescent bulb in a month or less by replacing the incandescent.

I almost feel like I should go out and buy some CFLs and go around and replace those people's front door lights with them.
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Matt,

I am evil and would take things into my own hands.

Try leaving your stereo on and pointed at there walls next time you leave for work, go out of town or are going to be gone for a extended period of time. A few weeks of that should get the point across. Or if you and your wife wake up early for work (which it seems these people dont do if they are staying up so late) crank the stereo up then. It's extremely annoying when something like this is happening I have experienced it.

If all else fails drill a hole into their house and start filling it with water, insects or a variety of noxious gasses.

Just be creative I am sure you can think of something :)

- Ted

PS: My fiance and mom keep telling me I need to go to anger management class....
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A lot of me is tempted to, but we have neighbors on the other side of us that we really like and we don't want this spilling over on them (even with the stereo pointed that one neighbors wall, if it is loud enough the other neighbors will probably hear it).

That is one of things I don't get, this kid is up till 10:30 or sometimes 11 o'clock most nights (and midnight plus occasionally), but is up by about 8am most mornings, that can't be healthy for him (most toddlers need 10-13hrs a night, thats maybe 9hrs before we hear him banging around again, and he might be up even before that, just not banging around). I think part of the issue here is that the parts won't/don't discipline their son, combine that with some sleep anxiety on his part and he doesn't want to go to sleep until his parents are going to bed (which is 10:30ish) and they aren't willing to put him to bed before they go to bed.

Anyway, it all just pisses me off. From now on my wife are going to be overly friendly and make a point to say hello everytime we see them. Kill em with kindness I say. Oh and pursue what the HOA can do about all of this.

Howard County noise ordinances stipulate daytime as 7am-10pm, so power tools can't be used outside of these hours. My wife and I are redoing our kitchen and ground floor floors (bamboo) this summer. I think we will find a weekend when our beloved next door neighbors are visiting their parents in New Jersey and pick that weekend to do the work so we can be using power saws starting at 7am for the fun of it. See if the neighbors get the message that if they are going to be rude and inconsiderate we will be at least as bad right back.
-Matt
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just to make sure im following right. The good neighbours will be away in NJ, so you can reck havoc then?
 

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Matt,

I am evil and would take things into my own hands.

Try leaving your stereo on and pointed at there walls next time you leave for work, go out of town or are going to be gone for a extended period of time. A few weeks of that should get the point across. Or if you and your wife wake up early for work (which it seems these people dont do if they are staying up so late) crank the stereo up then. It's extremely annoying when something like this is happening I have experienced it.

If all else fails drill a hole into their house and start filling it with water, insects or a variety of noxious gasses.

Just be creative I am sure you can think of something :)

- Ted

PS: My fiance and mom keep telling me I need to go to anger management class....
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A lot of me is tempted to, but we have neighbors on the other side of us that we really like and we don't want this spilling over on them (even with the stereo pointed that one neighbors wall, if it is loud enough the other neighbors will probably hear it).

That is one of things I don't get, this kid is up till 10:30 or sometimes 11 o'clock most nights (and midnight plus occasionally), but is up by about 8am most mornings, that can't be healthy for him (most toddlers need 10-13hrs a night, thats maybe 9hrs before we hear him banging around again, and he might be up even before that, just not banging around). I think part of the issue here is that the parts won't/don't discipline their son, combine that with some sleep anxiety on his part and he doesn't want to go to sleep until his parents are going to bed (which is 10:30ish) and they aren't willing to put him to bed before they go to bed.

Anyway, it all just pisses me off. From now on my wife are going to be overly friendly and make a point to say hello everytime we see them. Kill em with kindness I say. Oh and pursue what the HOA can do about all of this.

Howard County noise ordinances stipulate daytime as 7am-10pm, so power tools can't be used outside of these hours. My wife and I are redoing our kitchen and ground floor floors (bamboo) this summer. I think we will find a weekend when our beloved next door neighbors are visiting their parents in New Jersey and pick that weekend to do the work so we can be using power saws starting at 7am for the fun of it. See if the neighbors get the message that if they are going to be rude and inconsiderate we will be at least as bad right back.
-Matt
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just to make sure im following right. The good neighbours will be away in NJ, so you can reck havoc then?
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Good neighbors will be away, so they can annoy the FVCK out of the "bad" neighbors (without pestering the good)
 

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I remember last spring when I was going to school in Flagstaff. The guy I had been dating at the time had a very small apartment. It was bad enough for him to be living with his brother and a messy roommate in a 2 bedroom apartment. But when I would go over there and spend the night on occassion, their upstairs neighbors were CRAZY. I wanna say they had at least 4 or 5 little kids (in the same size apartment). It was bad throughout the whole day. They would be running/screaming/banging/falling/crying, you name it, it was happening. It was the worst at night. When we would be trying to sleep, it kept going. His brother even resorted to banging on the ceiling with his fists, and yelling at them through it too. It was easy to hear every word. We could even here at some point banging of...the bed. We'd be lying in bed taking a nap in the afternoon, and hear, not children...but objects. It was weird...

Anyway. I don't mean to jack your thread. I just know exactly what you're going through. And having neighbors who don't seem to understand that precious peace and quiet a 2 month old needs, I'm sure, just makes it worse. If people can't be somewhat courtieous because of THAT, then I don't know what this world is coming to. I hope everything goes well for you, your wife, and your little one. No one deserves to be in a situation like yours where the innocent aren't being heard. Let us know how everything goes :)
 

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Matt,

I am evil and would take things into my own hands.

Try leaving your stereo on and pointed at there walls next time you leave for work, go out of town or are going to be gone for a extended period of time. A few weeks of that should get the point across. Or if you and your wife wake up early for work (which it seems these people dont do if they are staying up so late) crank the stereo up then. It's extremely annoying when something like this is happening I have experienced it.

If all else fails drill a hole into their house and start filling it with water, insects or a variety of noxious gasses.

Just be creative I am sure you can think of something :)

- Ted

PS: My fiance and mom keep telling me I need to go to anger management class....
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A lot of me is tempted to, but we have neighbors on the other side of us that we really like and we don't want this spilling over on them (even with the stereo pointed that one neighbors wall, if it is loud enough the other neighbors will probably hear it).

That is one of things I don't get, this kid is up till 10:30 or sometimes 11 o'clock most nights (and midnight plus occasionally), but is up by about 8am most mornings, that can't be healthy for him (most toddlers need 10-13hrs a night, thats maybe 9hrs before we hear him banging around again, and he might be up even before that, just not banging around). I think part of the issue here is that the parts won't/don't discipline their son, combine that with some sleep anxiety on his part and he doesn't want to go to sleep until his parents are going to bed (which is 10:30ish) and they aren't willing to put him to bed before they go to bed.

Anyway, it all just pisses me off. From now on my wife are going to be overly friendly and make a point to say hello everytime we see them. Kill em with kindness I say. Oh and pursue what the HOA can do about all of this.

Howard County noise ordinances stipulate daytime as 7am-10pm, so power tools can't be used outside of these hours. My wife and I are redoing our kitchen and ground floor floors (bamboo) this summer. I think we will find a weekend when our beloved next door neighbors are visiting their parents in New Jersey and pick that weekend to do the work so we can be using power saws starting at 7am for the fun of it. See if the neighbors get the message that if they are going to be rude and inconsiderate we will be at least as bad right back.
-Matt
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just to make sure im following right. The good neighbours will be away in NJ, so you can reck havoc then?
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Good neighbors will be away, so they can annoy the FVCK out of the "bad" neighbors (without pestering the good)
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Correct, good neighbors out of town, then miter saw at 7am.

Thanks everyone. Their son was completely silent yesterday, not a peep, so maybe they are actually trying to keep him calmed down a bit. As I've said, it isn't as big a bother during the day time, but when it is loud enough to wake my son up who can sleep through the television being on, conversations, radio (well, semi-quite radio), wind noise (the little man LOVEs sleeping in the car with the windows down), you gotta know that it is bad.

That sucks about that apartment situation. I would have been in the leasing office every single day complaining about it. We are still waiting to hear back from the HOA.
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If not for your son being in the house, I'd say move the bed up against the wall, and just go at it as often as possible. Really loud. That might drive the point across, and it might have the pleasant side effect of making them too embarrassed to call you out on it :lol: :lol:
 

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ok. 1st thing i noticed is: why was your wife going over there? it just seems that you being the man of the house should have done that, not her. (not saying ur a bad hubby, though). and also, is it a possibility that maybe the apartment complex is just cheaply built? maybe they really aren't trying to be loud, but the walls/floors are thin & sounds are easily noticable? (that doesn't explain their rudeness, though). also, after a couple has a baby, their senses may be completely different. (I have an 8 month old). before life with baby, it was probably more party-like. you were able to tolorate a little more than you are now, am i right? i think calling the police just b/c they were noisy was a little far fetched. if someone called the police on me just b/c of noise level, i'd be f'ing PISSED. how old is their kid?
 
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