why overcomplicate a simple system? they work, very well i might add, there is no need to have anything more sophisticated.
MS3 brakes
So I am taking the calipers off the hubs and removing the pads to paint calipers.
Not a problem to figure out the Mickey Mouse set up (specifically the front) and get them broken down but these calipers remind me of something that belongs on a giant Ford Econoline van. F'n oversize pieces of crud but they do work fairly well.
The front outside pads are held in kind of goofy too.
Not a problem to figure out the Mickey Mouse set up (specifically the front) and get them broken down but these calipers remind me of something that belongs on a giant Ford Econoline van. F'n oversize pieces of crud but they do work fairly well.
The front outside pads are held in kind of goofy too.
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[quote author=Snowspd3 link=topic=69030.msg1195971#msg1195971 date=1170982921]
but they do work fairly well.
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Yes they do work well. I am just commenting on my impressions of them vs other setups I have encountered.
but they do work fairly well.
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Yes they do work well. I am just commenting on my impressions of them vs other setups I have encountered.
i did my lines, but didn't touch the pads and rotros. soon i wanna get some drilled and slotted rotors.
They will look at lot more fancy... do not forget the actual rotors will be weaker and more prone to warp.
well just so you know...these oversized pieces of crap are some of the best calipers out there...
"Why overcomplicate something that works?" Have you seen the stopping distance numbers on this vehicle. That doesn't just happen. This caliper design allows you to fit a bigger rotor than normal inside the wheel. This gives you a larger effective radius for your caliper which produces higher brake torques.
All this leads to shorter stopping distances which is why you see the vehicle performing so well in all the magazines.
...but you're right...it's just an overcomplicated piece of crap
Happy painting...
"Why overcomplicate something that works?" Have you seen the stopping distance numbers on this vehicle. That doesn't just happen. This caliper design allows you to fit a bigger rotor than normal inside the wheel. This gives you a larger effective radius for your caliper which produces higher brake torques.
All this leads to shorter stopping distances which is why you see the vehicle performing so well in all the magazines.
...but you're right...it's just an overcomplicated piece of crap
Happy painting...
I believe they look so large because they are aluminum instead of cast iron like most other single piston brake setups you might see on similar cars.
Did you notice the FoMoCo on the back of them?
Did you notice the FoMoCo on the back of them?
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Did you notice the FoMoCo on the back of them?
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There and a few other places.
Did you notice the FoMoCo on the back of them?
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There and a few other places.
Yeah hate to break it to you guys, but Ford owns 51% of Mazda, and are the contolling company...
[quote author=brake engineer link=topic=69030.msg1219768#msg1219768 date=1172021183]
Yeah hate to break it to you guys, but Ford owns 51% of Mazda, and are the contolling company...
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The official number is 33%, but I get your point of Ford having a controlling stake in Mazda operations. Just want to make a clarifying note.
Yeah hate to break it to you guys, but Ford owns 51% of Mazda, and are the contolling company...
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The official number is 33%, but I get your point of Ford having a controlling stake in Mazda operations. Just want to make a clarifying note.
[quote author=proclam link=topic=69030.msg1210647#msg1210647 date=1171584102]
They will look at lot more fancy... do not forget the actual rotors will be weaker and more prone to warp.
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I have ran cross drilled rotors in my escort for about 3 years now. Stock pads, stock lines, but drilled rotos. No cracks no warps, and did do a few autox meets back in the day with them, but i drive hard and brake hard with that car. Never a crack or warp from them.
They will look at lot more fancy... do not forget the actual rotors will be weaker and more prone to warp.
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I have ran cross drilled rotors in my escort for about 3 years now. Stock pads, stock lines, but drilled rotos. No cracks no warps, and did do a few autox meets back in the day with them, but i drive hard and brake hard with that car. Never a crack or warp from them.
I would venture this as a guess but I think more people get warped rotors from overtightening lug nuts than over-heating pads and rotors.
When it comes time to replace those front pads a little heads up. I was quoted about $170 from the dealer for new OEM pads. Could be BS or ??
When it comes time to replace those front pads a little heads up. I was quoted about $170 from the dealer for new OEM pads. Could be BS or ??
Generally speaking, and assuming the lug nuts are uniformly and appropriately tightened as snowspd3 mentioned, "warped" rotors occur more often not because of overheating exactly, but because of uneven transferring of pad material onto the disc.
As for cross-drilled rotors, they have been proven* to be more prone to cracking under extreme temperatures, commonly encountered at high performance driving events on a road course, where the brakes are seeing hard usage under extreme situations. Autocrossing and hard street driving are one thing, while running a vehicle at or closer to its limits are an entirely different story.
*Can't seem to find my link ATM, though.
As for cross-drilled rotors, they have been proven* to be more prone to cracking under extreme temperatures, commonly encountered at high performance driving events on a road course, where the brakes are seeing hard usage under extreme situations. Autocrossing and hard street driving are one thing, while running a vehicle at or closer to its limits are an entirely different story.
*Can't seem to find my link ATM, though.
[quote author=Snowspd3 link=topic=69030.msg1228006#msg1228006 date=1172267671]
I would venture this as a guess but I think more people get warped rotors from overtightening lug nuts than over-heating pads and rotors.
When it comes time to replace those front pads a little heads up. I was quoted about $170 from the dealer for new OEM pads. Could be BS or ??
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You WERE quoted by a dealer. I'd imagine closer to 75... maybe 100. Not 170$
I would venture this as a guess but I think more people get warped rotors from overtightening lug nuts than over-heating pads and rotors.
When it comes time to replace those front pads a little heads up. I was quoted about $170 from the dealer for new OEM pads. Could be BS or ??
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You WERE quoted by a dealer. I'd imagine closer to 75... maybe 100. Not 170$
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[quote author=Snowspd3 link=topic=69030.msg1228006#msg1228006 date=1172267671]
I would venture this as a guess but I think more people get warped rotors from overtightening lug nuts than over-heating pads and rotors.
When it comes time to replace those front pads a little heads up. I was quoted about $170 from the dealer for new OEM pads. Could be BS or ??
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You WERE quoted by a dealer. I'd imagine closer to 75... maybe 100. Not 170$
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Please elaborate. Are you referring to the same OEM pads or aftermaket? Perhaps ithe price quote was inflated until mass product was available, such as the recent $ discrepency on the Mazdaspeed intake kits, $00 down to $300?
[quote author=Snowspd3 link=topic=69030.msg1228006#msg1228006 date=1172267671]
I would venture this as a guess but I think more people get warped rotors from overtightening lug nuts than over-heating pads and rotors.
When it comes time to replace those front pads a little heads up. I was quoted about $170 from the dealer for new OEM pads. Could be BS or ??
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You WERE quoted by a dealer. I'd imagine closer to 75... maybe 100. Not 170$
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Please elaborate. Are you referring to the same OEM pads or aftermaket? Perhaps ithe price quote was inflated until mass product was available, such as the recent $ discrepency on the Mazdaspeed intake kits, $00 down to $300?
Nope, I was referring to dealer price gouging. Generally speaking, you can get the same quality as oem for a lot cheaper. They should only be Motorcraft pads, not Brembos. It is a possibility that as supply increases, price will decrease. But most times, there is a MASSIVE mark-up on incidental parts like that at the dealer. They're counting on people that can't do their own work.
Not surprised about the high price; I paid that much for OEM front pads for my Mach1 from Ford (they are basically Cobra brakes on that model) and these brakes are apparently ford components... I'm sure there are or soon will be good aftermarket alternatives out there. Hopefully something that doesn't create such a ridiculous amount of dust. Have you guys noticed this on your cars?
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I haven't driven the car much in the few months I have had it so I don't see it. Heck, I still forget I have 6th gear when I drive it as well.
Still pricey for pads though, but oh well.
Still pricey for pads though, but oh well.
[quote author=Focused link=topic=69030.msg1222826#msg1222826 date=1172111557]
[quote author=brake engineer link=topic=69030.msg1219768#msg1219768 date=1172021183]
Yeah hate to break it to you guys, but Ford owns 51% of Mazda, and are the contolling company...
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The official number is 33%, but I get your point of Ford having a controlling stake in Mazda operations. Just want to make a clarifying note.
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They don't even have a controlling stake - they have an equity stake.
[quote author=brake engineer link=topic=69030.msg1219768#msg1219768 date=1172021183]
Yeah hate to break it to you guys, but Ford owns 51% of Mazda, and are the contolling company...
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The official number is 33%, but I get your point of Ford having a controlling stake in Mazda operations. Just want to make a clarifying note.
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They don't even have a controlling stake - they have an equity stake.
[quote author=Insurance Guy link=topic=69030.msg1252969#msg1252969 date=1173232210]
[quote author=Focused link=topic=69030.msg1222826#msg1222826 date=1172111557]
[quote author=brake engineer link=topic=69030.msg1219768#msg1219768 date=1172021183]
Yeah hate to break it to you guys, but Ford owns 51% of Mazda, and are the contolling company...
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The official number is 33%, but I get your point of Ford having a controlling stake in Mazda operations. Just want to make a clarifying note.
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They don't even have a controlling stake - they have an equity stake.
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Sure, but we're playing with semantics now.
[quote author=Focused link=topic=69030.msg1222826#msg1222826 date=1172111557]
[quote author=brake engineer link=topic=69030.msg1219768#msg1219768 date=1172021183]
Yeah hate to break it to you guys, but Ford owns 51% of Mazda, and are the contolling company...
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The official number is 33%, but I get your point of Ford having a controlling stake in Mazda operations. Just want to make a clarifying note.
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They don't even have a controlling stake - they have an equity stake.
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Sure, but we're playing with semantics now.
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