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Anyone know if there are Meth Injection how to's/reviews?

I know there are people that have done it...but I havn't heard to much from them on the results (power gains ect.)

Anyone have any info?
 

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What do you wanna know? Install isn't hard as long as you know how to wire and operate a drill. What are you looking to accomplish?
 

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anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
 

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[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928242#msg2928242 date=1234322063]
anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
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Methanol is a fuel so it needs to be tuned according to how much you are injecting. Otherwise you will just drown the motor with fuel and the car will not run optimally.
 

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[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928242#msg2928242 date=1234322063]
anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
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Methanol is a fuel so it needs to be tuned according to how much you are injecting. Otherwise you will just drown the motor with fuel and the car will not run optimally.
[/quote]

What if its a light mixture...like 20/80 meth/water. Wouldnt it only slightly drop down the AFR?
 

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[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928330#msg2928330 date=1234324131]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928324#msg2928324 date=1234324006]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928242#msg2928242 date=1234322063]
anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
[/quote]

Methanol is a fuel so it needs to be tuned according to how much you are injecting. Otherwise you will just drown the motor with fuel and the car will not run optimally.
[/quote]

What if its a light mixture...like 20/80 meth/water. Wouldnt it only slightly drop down the AFR?
[/quote]

Best way to tell is buy a wideband and monitor the thing. Start safe and work your way back. On my old car I made 355awhp/330awtq on straight methanol with no fuel taken out at 25psi. Same boost with a ton of fuel taken out and still running high 10's AFR it made 435awhp/355awtq.
 

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[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928336#msg2928336 date=1234324347]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928330#msg2928330 date=1234324131]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928324#msg2928324 date=1234324006]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928242#msg2928242 date=1234322063]
anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
[/quote]

Methanol is a fuel so it needs to be tuned according to how much you are injecting. Otherwise you will just drown the motor with fuel and the car will not run optimally.
[/quote]

What if its a light mixture...like 20/80 meth/water.  Wouldnt it only slightly drop down the AFR?
[/quote]

Best way to tell is buy a wideband and monitor the thing. Start safe and work your way back. On my old car I made 355awhp/330awtq on straight methanol with no fuel taken out at 25psi. Same boost with a ton of fuel taken out and still running high 10's AFR it made 435awhp/355awtq.
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Question. So lets say you went all meth...or even 50-50. And you tuned out the fuel. Then your meth pump fails, or tank runs out. Wouldnt ur AFR spike up and motor go ka-boomy lol

I read a review of a guy that did a 50-50 mixture...and he said his AFR dropped by .3-.5. That would mean Id be running around 11.5 AFR. So that would mean I woudlnt need a specific tune...
 

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[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928342#msg2928342 date=1234324549]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928336#msg2928336 date=1234324347]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928330#msg2928330 date=1234324131]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928324#msg2928324 date=1234324006]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928242#msg2928242 date=1234322063]
anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
[/quote]

Methanol is a fuel so it needs to be tuned according to how much you are injecting. Otherwise you will just drown the motor with fuel and the car will not run optimally.
[/quote]

What if its a light mixture...like 20/80 meth/water. Wouldnt it only slightly drop down the AFR?
[/quote]

Best way to tell is buy a wideband and monitor the thing. Start safe and work your way back. On my old car I made 355awhp/330awtq on straight methanol with no fuel taken out at 25psi. Same boost with a ton of fuel taken out and still running high 10's AFR it made 435awhp/355awtq.
[/quote]

Question. So lets say you went all meth...or even 50-50. And you tuned out the fuel. Then your meth pump fails, or tank runs out. Wouldnt ur AFR spike up and motor go ka-boomy lol

I read a review of a guy that did a 50-50 mixture...and he said his AFR dropped by .3-.5. That would mean Id be running around 11.5 AFR. So that would mean I woudlnt need a specific tune...
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Just go read some threads on it in the link I posted. Lots of guys are using it without tuning for it various reasons.
 

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[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928342#msg2928342 date=1234324549]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928336#msg2928336 date=1234324347]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928330#msg2928330 date=1234324131]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928324#msg2928324 date=1234324006]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928242#msg2928242 date=1234322063]
anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
[/quote]

Methanol is a fuel so it needs to be tuned according to how much you are injecting. Otherwise you will just drown the motor with fuel and the car will not run optimally.
[/quote]

What if its a light mixture...like 20/80 meth/water. Wouldnt it only slightly drop down the AFR?
[/quote]

Best way to tell is buy a wideband and monitor the thing. Start safe and work your way back. On my old car I made 355awhp/330awtq on straight methanol with no fuel taken out at 25psi. Same boost with a ton of fuel taken out and still running high 10's AFR it made 435awhp/355awtq.
[/quote]

Question. So lets say you went all meth...or even 50-50. And you tuned out the fuel. Then your meth pump fails, or tank runs out. Wouldnt ur AFR spike up and motor go ka-boomy lol

I read a review of a guy that did a 50-50 mixture...and he said his AFR dropped by .3-.5. That would mean Id be running around 11.5 AFR. So that would mean I woudlnt need a specific tune...
[/quote]

What happens if your fuel pump fails during a pull, you go lean and the motor pops? If you're not going to tune for it there are better ways to spend your money than methanol. If you just wanna run it as a small safety buffer you'd be better off injecting water. Still a lot of money to spend for marginally better charge cooling. Could make a big difference if you lived in the south like me with 90+ temps and 80% humidity.

EDIT: If you are going to mod your car for power and the only thought in the back of your mind is "I'm screwed if this thing goes boom" stop right now.
 

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[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928987#msg2928987 date=1234365396]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928342#msg2928342 date=1234324549]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928336#msg2928336 date=1234324347]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928330#msg2928330 date=1234324131]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928324#msg2928324 date=1234324006]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928242#msg2928242 date=1234322063]
anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
[/quote]

Methanol is a fuel so it needs to be tuned according to how much you are injecting. Otherwise you will just drown the motor with fuel and the car will not run optimally.
[/quote]

What if its a light mixture...like 20/80 meth/water. Wouldnt it only slightly drop down the AFR?
[/quote]

Best way to tell is buy a wideband and monitor the thing. Start safe and work your way back. On my old car I made 355awhp/330awtq on straight methanol with no fuel taken out at 25psi. Same boost with a ton of fuel taken out and still running high 10's AFR it made 435awhp/355awtq.
[/quote]

Question. So lets say you went all meth...or even 50-50. And you tuned out the fuel. Then your meth pump fails, or tank runs out. Wouldnt ur AFR spike up and motor go ka-boomy lol

I read a review of a guy that did a 50-50 mixture...and he said his AFR dropped by .3-.5. That would mean Id be running around 11.5 AFR. So that would mean I woudlnt need a specific tune...
[/quote]

What happens if your fuel pump fails during a pull, you go lean and the motor pops? If you're not going to tune for it there are better ways to spend your money than methanol. If you just wanna run it as a small safety buffer you'd be better off injecting water. Still a lot of money to spend for marginally better charge cooling. Could make a big difference if you lived in the south like me with 90+ temps and 80% humidity.

EDIT: If you are going to mod your car for power and the only thought in the back of your mind is "I'm screwed if this thing goes boom" stop right now.
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Better ways to spend ur money? Dude the kit is like $350...thats not expensive. And I find it interesting...everyone that has meth on their speed love it...but you...guy who doenst have it on his speed...hates it.

And if you DONT have the thought of "im screwed if this thing goes boom" then your either a complete idiot...or have WAY to much money. I don't know of any normal person who wouldnt be pissed as fuck if their motor popped and they had to drop a couple grand to fix it. So how does it make me a bad modder and I should "stop now" because I want to add a mod which reduces the risk of detonation?

ok buddy...whatever u say.
 

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Woah, calm down

He is just saying that you should skip the meth if you're not going to do it properly, especially if you are worried about major failures (you were asking about pump giving out and going boom right? )

I support his point, guy in town blew his engine recently using meth.
 

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[quote author=zachismisitok link=topic=135771.msg2929109#msg2929109 date=1234368810]
Woah, calm down

He is just saying that you should skip the meth if you're not going to do it properly, especially if you are worried about major failures (you were asking about pump giving out and going boom right? )

I support his point, guy in town blew his engine recently using meth.
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Did he tune with it? There is a big difference between the two applications.

Using water/meth injection to help clean our DISI engines and cool the intake charge is a huge bonus. It reduces knock which is a problem with our cars.
 

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[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928342#msg2928342 date=1234324549]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928336#msg2928336 date=1234324347]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928330#msg2928330 date=1234324131]
[quote author=Wastegate13 link=topic=135771.msg2928324#msg2928324 date=1234324006]
[quote author=AFcadet link=topic=135771.msg2928242#msg2928242 date=1234322063]
anyone know if you can run meth just fine with a regular AP map? or do you need a personal tune to use it?
[/quote]

Methanol is a fuel so it needs to be tuned according to how much you are injecting. Otherwise you will just drown the motor with fuel and the car will not run optimally.
[/quote]

What if its a light mixture...like 20/80 meth/water. Wouldnt it only slightly drop down the AFR?
[/quote]

Best way to tell is buy a wideband and monitor the thing. Start safe and work your way back. On my old car I made 355awhp/330awtq on straight methanol with no fuel taken out at 25psi. Same boost with a ton of fuel taken out and still running high 10's AFR it made 435awhp/355awtq.
[/quote]

Question. So lets say you went all meth...or even 50-50. And you tuned out the fuel. Then your meth pump fails, or tank runs out. Wouldnt ur AFR spike up and motor go ka-boomy lol

I read a review of a guy that did a 50-50 mixture...and he said his AFR dropped by .3-.5. That would mean Id be running around 11.5 AFR. So that would mean I woudlnt need a specific tune...
[/quote]

What happens if your fuel pump fails during a pull, you go lean and the motor pops? If you're not going to tune for it there are better ways to spend your money than methanol. If you just wanna run it as a small safety buffer you'd be better off injecting water. Still a lot of money to spend for marginally better charge cooling. Could make a big difference if you lived in the south like me with 90+ temps and 80% humidity.

EDIT: If you are going to mod your car for power and the only thought in the back of your mind is "I'm screwed if this thing goes boom" stop right now.
[/quote]

Better ways to spend ur money? Dude the kit is like $350...thats not expensive. And I find it interesting...everyone that has meth on their speed love it...but you...guy who doenst have it on his speed...hates it.

And if you DONT have the thought of "im screwed if this thing goes boom" then your either a complete idiot...or have WAY to much money. I don't know of any normal person who wouldnt be pissed as fuck if their motor popped and they had to drop a couple grand to fix it. So how does it make me a bad modder and I should "stop now" because I want to add a mod which reduces the risk of detonation?

ok buddy...whatever u say.
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Never said I hated it. I've used it in the past with great results. With supplemental injection you introduce an outside variable that your ECU has no control over. After that its up to you to ensure proper operation.

What I meant with the stop now comment was that if you are modding for power you are exceeding what the stock parts were intended to handle reliably. The more you deviate from "stock" the more maintenance and monitoring your car will require. Should you be upset if something lets loose? Absolutely, but you should also be prepared for it and know that no matter how slim the chance that its there. If that bothers you then I suggest just stopping now while you are content before you become frustrated with the car and end up selling it ala Trueredspeed3.

PS: Why is it that everytime there is to be a discussion on this forum it dissolves into a pissing contest with insults being hurled around?
 

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[quote author=zachismisitok link=topic=135771.msg2929109#msg2929109 date=1234368810]
Woah, calm down

He is just saying that you should skip the meth if you're not going to do it properly, especially if you are worried about major failures (you were asking about pump giving out and going boom right? )

I support his point, guy in town blew his engine recently using meth.
[/quote]

Did he tune with it? There is a big difference between the two applications.

Using water/meth injection to help clean our DISI engines and cool the intake charge is a huge bonus. It reduces knock which is a problem with our cars.
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I'm not sure about the details, he's more knowledgeable about it than I

I simply mentioned it to show an occasion where it's gone wrong
 
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