350Z's SUCK A$$ on a AutoX course. I seen one at the Nopi show. This thing was fish tailing all over the place. This car was made for straights not curves.MZ6ZoomZoom said:The worst (compared to expectations) from what I've seen/heard is the 350Z.
I said they suck on a autocross course. Not at anything else. :roll:ikea boy said:I think it's a big-time stretch to say that 350Z's suck. They're still fast, they're just not competitive in their class (BS), where the significantly lighter Honda S2000 has an advantage.
I think the 3 may be competitive if it's classed in HS. Maybe the 160HP motor could have a shot at GS, but I doubt it, unless it can get a lot of camber up front.
Currently, the Toyota Celica GT is about the fastest of the cars in G-Stock, while the base model Mini is probably the fastest FWD H-Stock car.
The "regular" proteges run in HS, where they are not super competitive, apparently due to a lack of camber up front. The MP3 is in GS, where it apparently suffers from the same problem. The MazdaSpeed Protege is in D-Stock, where is gets destroyed by the Integra Type-R and BMW 330.
And I'm saying they don't "suck" on an autocross course. Sure, they're not the fastest car you can got for that much money, but they're still fast - even on an autocross course. If a Camaro can rip around an autocross course (and they do, I've autocrossed one before), a 350Z can, too.ATL said:I said they suck on a autocross course. Not at anything else. :roll:
Ya, if you want to qualify it like that, then yes I will agree, for the money, it's not the best autocross car you can buy. However, I'm highly skeptical about the 6 beating the Z if both are in the hands of good drivers. It's hard to make comparisons based on things you see at local events because the experience levels can vary so wildly. I mean, I've personally beaten plenty of WRX's in my stupid Civic, but I'm not about to say that my Civic is faster than a WRX, it's just that I have been doing it longer than those guys. I've seen well driven WRX's, too, and trust me, my Civic is no match for them.MZ6ZoomZoom said:The 350Z sucks for the price and its class, on autocross. This has been shown MANY times (with even the MZ6 repeatedly beating them).
There's the answer right there.- No car in B-Stock sucks for autocrossing. They are all fast, it's just a matter of how they're driven. High powered RWD cars can look worse than they really are in the hands of a novice, just because they're sliding all over and spinning and stuff.
Yes! Exactly!ikea boy said:Since you guys like talking about local autocrosses so much, check this out.
Go down to "street tire B Stock (BST)" and notice that my friend Matt won in a 350Z - Beating several S2000's and a BMW Z3. The car belongs to Matt's dad, and this was the first time Matt drove the thing. It was his dad's first autocross ever (so don't read too much into his placing).
Notice that Matt slaughted the DST winning MazdaSpeed Protege. And beat the GST winning Mazda 6 (although this guy was fast!). Also, he even beat the WRX STi that was there. I think he also beat all the miatas (even the ones on race tires), and the MR2 Spyder.
I think if you guys are seeing slow 350Z's at local autocrosses, it has a lot more to do with the driver than with the car.
As far as the article from the australian guy, Australia is supposed to have like the worst roads in the developed world, so what do you expect.