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[quote author=alpha732 link=topic=136582.msg2946622#msg2946622 date=1235021342]
You can break the 200hp mark, look at cosworth.
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which is why cosworth makes a 250hp n/a duratec right?
 

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[quote author=alpha732 link=topic=136582.msg2948244#msg2948244 date=1235082097]
[quote author=alpha732 link=topic=136582.msg2946622#msg2946622 date=1235021342]
You can break the 200hp mark, look at cosworth.
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which is why cosworth makes a 250hp n/a duratec right?
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they run high compression. 11:1 or 12:1. our stockers are like 9.6:1 i believe... so there's quite a difference. also the cosworths have cam upgrades, as well as a higher rev limit.

they are formula 1 engines... 200 is attainable, but running 12:1 would require running racing fuel...
 

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[quote author=alpha732 link=topic=136582.msg2948244#msg2948244 date=1235082097]
[quote author=alpha732 link=topic=136582.msg2946622#msg2946622 date=1235021342]
You can break the 200hp mark, look at cosworth.
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which is why cosworth makes a 250hp n/a duratec right?
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they run high compression. 11:1 or 12:1. our stockers are like 9.6:1 i believe... so there's quite a difference. also the cosworths have cam upgrades, as well as a higher rev limit.

they are formula 1 engines... 200 is attainable, but running 12:1 would require running racing fuel...
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So what, point is you can get 200hp. Cosworth gets 250.
 

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[quote author=boomhauer link=topic=136582.msg2948240#msg2948240 date=1235081856]
I think the "problem" with the Mazda design may be that it's designed very efficiently from the start. There just aren't many aspects of the design that scream for improvement. Gains can be had, but they generally don't come cheap.
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While the design may not scream for improvement factory tunes are always on the weak side, unless it happens to be some sort of performance machine. While these cars perform great for what they are we all have to admit that they they can be greatly improved upon. The gains aren't to be had cheaply because no companies seems to be interested in making any parts for these cars in the ECU realm. That's why the ECU has to be piggy backed to make any tuning gains. I think once you add a piggy back system then you can reach 200hp with the right bolt-ons and you might even gain more with a e85 setup. I'm thinking with that combination you can take the car beyond 200hp because then you can change the timing and fuel curves which is where the factories "de-tune" their cars to begin with. It might not be reachable with bolt-ons because of how the car was done out of the factory but it can be done without any internals too. That's my thoughts though.
 

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[quote author=alpha732 link=topic=136582.msg2949149#msg2949149 date=1235103867]
why do the jet thing which is most likely a hoax when there is tuning that works within the community's grasp (CP-E)
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I've been reading on the CP-E post of what they are doing and I'm kind of curious how hard it will be to install when they get it done and what kind of cost you'd be looking? And do I understand the read down on this thing as it will come preset with your factory tune already installed and you just adjust on it from there?
 

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[quote author=mark_byers39 link=topic=136582.msg2948967#msg2948967 date=1235099658]
[quote author=boomhauer link=topic=136582.msg2948240#msg2948240 date=1235081856]
I think the "problem" with the Mazda design may be that it's designed very efficiently from the start. There just aren't many aspects of the design that scream for improvement. Gains can be had, but they generally don't come cheap.
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While the design may not scream for improvement factory tunes are always on the weak side, unless it happens to be some sort of performance machine. While these cars perform great for what they are we all have to admit that they they can be greatly improved upon. The gains aren't to be had cheaply because no companies seems to be interested in making any parts for these cars in the ECU realm. That's why the ECU has to be piggy backed to make any tuning gains. I think once you add a piggy back system then you can reach 200hp with the right bolt-ons and you might even gain more with a e85 setup. I'm thinking with that combination you can take the car beyond 200hp because then you can change the timing and fuel curves which is where the factories "de-tune" their cars to begin with. It might not be reachable with bolt-ons because of how the car was done out of the factory but it can be done without any internals too. That's my thoughts though.
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Yeah, my comment was based mainly on bolt-ons and limited (so far) engine management options. I actually like how the car drives, and am more in "tweaking" mode since most current performance options provide low return on investment, at least to me. But if you guys start reporting good results with jet or cp-e, I might reconsider.
 

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Yeah, my comment was based mainly on bolt-ons and limited (so far) engine management options. I actually like how the car drives, and am more in "tweaking" mode since most current performance options provide low return on investment, at least to me. But if you guys start reporting good results with jet or cp-e, I might reconsider.
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I kind of understand where you're coming from on all that and I hope I didn't come off as saying you didn't think the car couldn't be improved upon. I agree though, it seems like everything out there right now seems to offer little horsepower gains for a big investment. I'm curious about the cp-e deal though and want to know more about what is involved with installing a system such as that. I've been reading the post on it but haven't found all my answers but I'm sure by the time it come to me getting something like that I'll have all my answers and then some. I know someone mentioned cosworth, not like I could afford one but is it a direct bolt in replacement for our engines, anybody know? Just curious.
 

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sorry for reviving a dead thread but i thought this might be useful info since quite a few people have been looking for this very thing. this site http://www.autoaccessoriesgarage.com/Performance-Chips/Jet-V-Force-Plus-Power-Control-Module/_Mazda-3-2005# says that the jet v force is compatible with the mazda 3 (or at least mine 2005 3s 2.3) yet nearly every other site says otherwise. i called the 800 number given and talked to a 'specialist' who confirmed this and also directed me to the manufacturer's site which is http://www.jetchip.com which also confirms this works on the car. looks like all i need is about $270 :)
 

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I may be wrong on this, but I believe that the reason the Jet Chip won't work is that it'll initially appear to work, but after a little while, the ECU 'learns' around it, negating it's effects.
 

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its the truth, our ECU is pretty friggen smart.
 

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I dunno man, the advanced timing mod gives 3-5 hp/torque, and is truly invisible to the ecu - which is a good thing. I'd start with that before shelling out 270 smackeroos....
 

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Do the basics - TB Ground, Intake, Header, Exhaust, Advanced Timing Mod, BSD, VTCS Removal and you're pretty much done with bolt-ons. There's recently been a standback tuner released by CP-E which is supposed to be really good too, but you've gotta not be scared of hacking into your wiring harness.

You can do wierd shit like optimizing the throttle body, and going with an aftermarket intake mani, but I've read somewhere on here that unless you are boosting to 20psi, the stock mani actually flows well enough.

Once those are done, really all that's left to do is boost it.
 

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well i already have the intake almost complete (already have a SRI w/ CAI attachment but i'm working on a custom ram air fabrication to go around my fog lights :) ), ETB is grounded, exhaust was going to be my next purchase unless the Jet V Force actually turned out to be a good investment.  advanced timing mod has me a bit worried.  i've heard horror stories (although they were not our cars.)  BSD and VTCS i have not heard of so i'm gonna have to read up on those thanx :)

edit: does this mean that any piggyback system will not work for the 3?
 

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[quote author=rickfogle link=topic=136582.msg3325712#msg3325712 date=1253037921]
No. CP-E just came out with their StandBack, and I think there is the XFC as well.
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why would they be able to work and not be sidestepped by the ecu yet the jet V force would??
 

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[quote author=Dyereve01 link=topic=136582.msg3318522#msg3318522 date=1252564657]
advanced timing mod has me a bit worried.[/quote]

I was also leery about the timing mod at first, but it really is a sweet mod for a standard 3. The advance is modest, but the improvement is noticeable.
 

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[quote author=Dyereve01 link=topic=136582.msg3325946#msg3325946 date=1253046457]
[quote author=rickfogle link=topic=136582.msg3325712#msg3325712 date=1253037921]
No. CP-E just came out with their StandBack, and I think there is the XFC as well.
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why would they be able to work and not be sidestepped by the ecu yet the jet V force would??
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I don't know, but I'd guess more talented engineering staff, more focussed on our Mazdas rather than being a more generic solution to the problem.
 
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