Definitely a noob question, but hey, I'm a noob. Just bought 3 gauges (boost, air/fuel, oil pressure) as well as the center pod from CP-E. I have a guy installing it and he told me I had to replace the oil sender with the one that came with the gauge. Where could I find this unit? For installation, he plans to charge me $300; is this reasonable?
Location of oil sender on an 09 MS3?
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holy SHIT! that's an insane install charge for a freakin oil sender!
the stock oil sender is located at the top of the oil filter housing. all you have to do is pull that plug, install a T-connection, and just plug in both the stock oil sensor and your aftermarket sensor to the T. you're probably going to have to run some hose around, but it's far from the end of the world. the other alternative is to change out your stock oil housing and use a spin-on filter conversion kit and then add a sandwich adapter to it to allow you to plug oil sensors into the adapter...i didn't like this option, because it's not really necessary when you can just T off the stock connection. here's what you need to know about putting in a T:
-stock hole uses a 1/4" NPT fitting.
-oil pressure sender probably uses a 1/8" NPT fitting.
-you HAVE to empty out all your oil in order access this hole.
-mount your sender anywhere you want in your engine bay and just run a hose to the T.
i got all my fittings from advanced auto parts, but you can get it anywhere, basically...just make sure you ask the people who work there, because they might have their full selection of fittings squirreled away in the back.
the stock oil sender is located at the top of the oil filter housing. all you have to do is pull that plug, install a T-connection, and just plug in both the stock oil sensor and your aftermarket sensor to the T. you're probably going to have to run some hose around, but it's far from the end of the world. the other alternative is to change out your stock oil housing and use a spin-on filter conversion kit and then add a sandwich adapter to it to allow you to plug oil sensors into the adapter...i didn't like this option, because it's not really necessary when you can just T off the stock connection. here's what you need to know about putting in a T:
-stock hole uses a 1/4" NPT fitting.
-oil pressure sender probably uses a 1/8" NPT fitting.
-you HAVE to empty out all your oil in order access this hole.
-mount your sender anywhere you want in your engine bay and just run a hose to the T.
i got all my fittings from advanced auto parts, but you can get it anywhere, basically...just make sure you ask the people who work there, because they might have their full selection of fittings squirreled away in the back.
[quote author=Sacrilicious link=topic=133594.msg2870988#msg2870988 date=1232206121]
holy SHIT! that's an insane install charge for a freakin oil sender!
the stock oil sender is located at the top of the oil filter housing. all you have to do is pull that plug, install a T-connection, and just plug in both the stock oil sensor and your aftermarket sensor to the T. you're probably going to have to run some hose around, but it's far from the end of the world. the other alternative is to change out your stock oil housing and use a spin-on filter conversion kit and then add a sandwich adapter to it to allow you to plug oil sensors into the adapter...i didn't like this option, because it's not really necessary when you can just T off the stock connection. here's what you need to know about putting in a T:
-stock hole uses a 1/4" NPT fitting.
-oil pressure sender probably uses a 1/8" NPT fitting.
-you HAVE to empty out all your oil in order access this hole.
-mount your sender anywhere you want in your engine bay and just run a hose to the T.
i got all my fittings from advanced auto parts, but you can get it anywhere, basically...just make sure you ask the people who work there, because they might have their full selection of fittings squirreled away in the back.
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Alright, thank you. The $300 was for the installation of all three gauges with the pod, not to install the oil sender.
holy SHIT! that's an insane install charge for a freakin oil sender!
the stock oil sender is located at the top of the oil filter housing. all you have to do is pull that plug, install a T-connection, and just plug in both the stock oil sensor and your aftermarket sensor to the T. you're probably going to have to run some hose around, but it's far from the end of the world. the other alternative is to change out your stock oil housing and use a spin-on filter conversion kit and then add a sandwich adapter to it to allow you to plug oil sensors into the adapter...i didn't like this option, because it's not really necessary when you can just T off the stock connection. here's what you need to know about putting in a T:
-stock hole uses a 1/4" NPT fitting.
-oil pressure sender probably uses a 1/8" NPT fitting.
-you HAVE to empty out all your oil in order access this hole.
-mount your sender anywhere you want in your engine bay and just run a hose to the T.
i got all my fittings from advanced auto parts, but you can get it anywhere, basically...just make sure you ask the people who work there, because they might have their full selection of fittings squirreled away in the back.
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Alright, thank you. The $300 was for the installation of all three gauges with the pod, not to install the oil sender.
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oh, a full install of everything...where was he going to put the AFR? drill and tap? do you already have a DP with an extra bung in it?
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$300.00 = Dashhawk
Reads everything, except oil pressure, and data logs.
You could also use THIS:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=27_44&products_id=1324
But, it requires THIS, to work:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?products_id=1210
Reads everything, except oil pressure, and data logs.
You could also use THIS:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=27_44&products_id=1324
But, it requires THIS, to work:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?products_id=1210
[quote author=2008jayspeed3 link=topic=133594.msg2872055#msg2872055 date=1232250856]
$300.00 = Dashhawk
Reads everything, except oil pressure, and data logs.
You could also use THIS:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=27_44&products_id=1324
But, it requires THIS, to work:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?products_id=1210
[/quote]
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
[quote author=Sacrilicious link=topic=133594.msg2871138#msg2871138 date=1232212324]
oh, a full install of everything...where was he going to put the AFR? drill and tap? do you already have a DP with an extra bung in it?
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AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
$300.00 = Dashhawk
Reads everything, except oil pressure, and data logs.
You could also use THIS:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=27_44&products_id=1324
But, it requires THIS, to work:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?products_id=1210
[/quote]
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
[quote author=Sacrilicious link=topic=133594.msg2871138#msg2871138 date=1232212324]
oh, a full install of everything...where was he going to put the AFR? drill and tap? do you already have a DP with an extra bung in it?
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AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
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[quote author=2008jayspeed3 link=topic=133594.msg2872055#msg2872055 date=1232250856]
$300.00 = Dashhawk
Reads everything, except oil pressure, and data logs.
You could also use THIS:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=27_44&products_id=1324
But, it requires THIS, to work:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?products_id=1210
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I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
[quote author=Sacrilicious link=topic=133594.msg2871138#msg2871138 date=1232212324]
oh, a full install of everything...where was he going to put the AFR? drill and tap? do you already have a DP with an extra bung in it?
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AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
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Dashhawk will read like 20 important parameters for $300 tops, gauges will read 3. Dashhawk will take logs. Gauges will not. I don't see how the dashhawk doesn't appeal. Analog gauges are becoming obsolete.
You're also putting alot of trust in a guy for all the drilling and whatnot since it seems you a pretty new. The dashhawk is just plug and chug for the most part.
[quote author=2008jayspeed3 link=topic=133594.msg2872055#msg2872055 date=1232250856]
$300.00 = Dashhawk
Reads everything, except oil pressure, and data logs.
You could also use THIS:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=27_44&products_id=1324
But, it requires THIS, to work:
http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?products_id=1210
[/quote]
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
[quote author=Sacrilicious link=topic=133594.msg2871138#msg2871138 date=1232212324]
oh, a full install of everything...where was he going to put the AFR? drill and tap? do you already have a DP with an extra bung in it?
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AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
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Dashhawk will read like 20 important parameters for $300 tops, gauges will read 3. Dashhawk will take logs. Gauges will not. I don't see how the dashhawk doesn't appeal. Analog gauges are becoming obsolete.
You're also putting alot of trust in a guy for all the drilling and whatnot since it seems you a pretty new. The dashhawk is just plug and chug for the most part.
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[quote author=2009MS3 link=topic=133594.msg2873023#msg2873023 date=1232311551]
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
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you should probably rethink the DH, actually. it gives you access to information that gauges don't have access to...basically, almost everything that the ECU has access to, you now have access to (just so you know, the stock wideband O2 sensor is quite accurate). logging of 5 of these parameters at once, obviously, is reaaaaally useful. it's not to say that the gauge pod can't be useful, since a shiny needle is a lot easier to read at a glance than a little number on a screen. also, you can use gauges to read information that the stock system does not have access to...like: exhaust gas temp, oil pressure, oil temp, trannie temp, etc. i, personally, use the DH on my steering column and a cpe pod with: boost, EGT, and oil pressure on my dash. it works out very well...
for your air/fuel ratio (AFR) gauge, you have to either drill/tap(put threads in the hole) an extra hole into your downpipe so that you can screw in the new sensor, or buy an aftermarket downpipe with this work already done for you so that you can do this.
before you pay this dude to do all this work, tell us EXACTLY what you have here:
1. what kind of air/fuel gauge do you have? is it a wideband sensor, or a narrowband sensor? (exact brand/model would be helpful)
2. what kind of downpipe do you have? stock? aftermarket?
3. did the guy mention what he was going to do to install the air/fuel sensor and the oil pressure sensor?
btw...do NOT let him simply replace your stock oil pressure sensor with the aftermarket sensor, because if he does, you're probably going to get a CEL when your ECU realizes that the stock sensor isn't there, or is reading too low. unless he does something sneaky to trick the ECU into thinking that the stock sensor is still there and reading a safe pressure, he's just going to cause you loads of headache down the road.
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
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you should probably rethink the DH, actually. it gives you access to information that gauges don't have access to...basically, almost everything that the ECU has access to, you now have access to (just so you know, the stock wideband O2 sensor is quite accurate). logging of 5 of these parameters at once, obviously, is reaaaaally useful. it's not to say that the gauge pod can't be useful, since a shiny needle is a lot easier to read at a glance than a little number on a screen. also, you can use gauges to read information that the stock system does not have access to...like: exhaust gas temp, oil pressure, oil temp, trannie temp, etc. i, personally, use the DH on my steering column and a cpe pod with: boost, EGT, and oil pressure on my dash. it works out very well...
for your air/fuel ratio (AFR) gauge, you have to either drill/tap(put threads in the hole) an extra hole into your downpipe so that you can screw in the new sensor, or buy an aftermarket downpipe with this work already done for you so that you can do this.
before you pay this dude to do all this work, tell us EXACTLY what you have here:
1. what kind of air/fuel gauge do you have? is it a wideband sensor, or a narrowband sensor? (exact brand/model would be helpful)
2. what kind of downpipe do you have? stock? aftermarket?
3. did the guy mention what he was going to do to install the air/fuel sensor and the oil pressure sensor?
btw...do NOT let him simply replace your stock oil pressure sensor with the aftermarket sensor, because if he does, you're probably going to get a CEL when your ECU realizes that the stock sensor isn't there, or is reading too low. unless he does something sneaky to trick the ECU into thinking that the stock sensor is still there and reading a safe pressure, he's just going to cause you loads of headache down the road.
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[quote author=2009MS3 link=topic=133594.msg2873023#msg2873023 date=1232311551]
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
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you should probably rethink the DH, actually. it gives you access to information that gauges don't have access to...basically, almost everything that the ECU has access to, you now have access to (just so you know, the stock wideband O2 sensor is quite accurate). logging of 5 of these parameters at once, obviously, is reaaaaally useful. it's not to say that the gauge pod can't be useful, since a shiny needle is a lot easier to read at a glance than a little number on a screen. also, you can use gauges to read information that the stock system does not have access to...like: exhaust gas temp, oil pressure, oil temp, trannie temp, etc. i, personally, use the DH on my steering column and a cpe pod with: boost, EGT, and oil pressure on my dash. it works out very well...
for your air/fuel ratio (AFR) gauge, you have to either drill/tap(put threads in the hole) an extra hole into your downpipe so that you can screw in the new sensor, or buy an aftermarket downpipe with this work already done for you so that you can do this.
before you pay this dude to do all this work, tell us EXACTLY what you have here:
1. what kind of air/fuel gauge do you have? is it a wideband sensor, or a narrowband sensor? (exact brand/model would be helpful)
2. what kind of downpipe do you have? stock? aftermarket?
3. did the guy mention what he was going to do to install the air/fuel sensor and the oil pressure sensor?
btw...do NOT let him simply replace your stock oil pressure sensor with the aftermarket sensor, because if he does, you're probably going to get a CEL when your ECU realizes that the stock sensor isn't there, or is reading too low. unless he does something sneaky to trick the ECU into thinking that the stock sensor is still there and reading a safe pressure, he's just going to cause you loads of headache down the road.
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I think the DH EGT plug-in is still available through MSD too.
[quote author=2009MS3 link=topic=133594.msg2873023#msg2873023 date=1232311551]
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
[/quote]
you should probably rethink the DH, actually. it gives you access to information that gauges don't have access to...basically, almost everything that the ECU has access to, you now have access to (just so you know, the stock wideband O2 sensor is quite accurate). logging of 5 of these parameters at once, obviously, is reaaaaally useful. it's not to say that the gauge pod can't be useful, since a shiny needle is a lot easier to read at a glance than a little number on a screen. also, you can use gauges to read information that the stock system does not have access to...like: exhaust gas temp, oil pressure, oil temp, trannie temp, etc. i, personally, use the DH on my steering column and a cpe pod with: boost, EGT, and oil pressure on my dash. it works out very well...
for your air/fuel ratio (AFR) gauge, you have to either drill/tap(put threads in the hole) an extra hole into your downpipe so that you can screw in the new sensor, or buy an aftermarket downpipe with this work already done for you so that you can do this.
before you pay this dude to do all this work, tell us EXACTLY what you have here:
1. what kind of air/fuel gauge do you have? is it a wideband sensor, or a narrowband sensor? (exact brand/model would be helpful)
2. what kind of downpipe do you have? stock? aftermarket?
3. did the guy mention what he was going to do to install the air/fuel sensor and the oil pressure sensor?
btw...do NOT let him simply replace your stock oil pressure sensor with the aftermarket sensor, because if he does, you're probably going to get a CEL when your ECU realizes that the stock sensor isn't there, or is reading too low. unless he does something sneaky to trick the ECU into thinking that the stock sensor is still there and reading a safe pressure, he's just going to cause you loads of headache down the road.
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I think the DH EGT plug-in is still available through MSD too.
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[quote author=smakdown61 link=topic=133594.msg2873207#msg2873207 date=1232317982]I think the DH EGT plug-in is still available through MSD too.
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crap! if i had known about that plug-in, i soooo would have gotten it and used the EGT gauge spot for something else! =/
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crap! if i had known about that plug-in, i soooo would have gotten it and used the EGT gauge spot for something else! =/
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[quote author=2009MS3 link=topic=133594.msg2873023#msg2873023 date=1232311551]
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
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you should probably rethink the DH, actually. it gives you access to information that gauges don't have access to...basically, almost everything that the ECU has access to, you now have access to (just so you know, the stock wideband O2 sensor is quite accurate). logging of 5 of these parameters at once, obviously, is reaaaaally useful. it's not to say that the gauge pod can't be useful, since a shiny needle is a lot easier to read at a glance than a little number on a screen. also, you can use gauges to read information that the stock system does not have access to...like: exhaust gas temp, oil pressure, oil temp, trannie temp, etc. i, personally, use the DH on my steering column and a cpe pod with: boost, EGT, and oil pressure on my dash. it works out very well...
for your air/fuel ratio (AFR) gauge, you have to either drill/tap(put threads in the hole) an extra hole into your downpipe so that you can screw in the new sensor, or buy an aftermarket downpipe with this work already done for you so that you can do this.
before you pay this dude to do all this work, tell us EXACTLY what you have here:
1. what kind of air/fuel gauge do you have? is it a wideband sensor, or a narrowband sensor? (exact brand/model would be helpful)
2. what kind of downpipe do you have? stock? aftermarket?
3. did the guy mention what he was going to do to install the air/fuel sensor and the oil pressure sensor?
btw...do NOT let him simply replace your stock oil pressure sensor with the aftermarket sensor, because if he does, you're probably going to get a CEL when your ECU realizes that the stock sensor isn't there, or is reading too low. unless he does something sneaky to trick the ECU into thinking that the stock sensor is still there and reading a safe pressure, he's just going to cause you loads of headache down the road.
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Too late, bought the gauges and all already and I still like the look of the gauges versus that of the DH.
I got 3 GlowShift gauges: boost, LED Air/Fuel, and oil pressure. I have the stock downpipe. And I didn't speak to anyone yet about installation for the sensors. The guy I spoke with was just going to do the gauges. My father is in the autobody business and has a mechanic who is willing to help me get the gauges on.
[quote author=2009MS3 link=topic=133594.msg2873023#msg2873023 date=1232311551]
I thought about the Dashhawk, but it doesn't appeal to me like the gauge pod does from CP-E.
AFR? Drill and tap for what? And a DP with an extra bung in it? I've never felt so illiterate in my life, haha. :bowdown:
[/quote]
you should probably rethink the DH, actually. it gives you access to information that gauges don't have access to...basically, almost everything that the ECU has access to, you now have access to (just so you know, the stock wideband O2 sensor is quite accurate). logging of 5 of these parameters at once, obviously, is reaaaaally useful. it's not to say that the gauge pod can't be useful, since a shiny needle is a lot easier to read at a glance than a little number on a screen. also, you can use gauges to read information that the stock system does not have access to...like: exhaust gas temp, oil pressure, oil temp, trannie temp, etc. i, personally, use the DH on my steering column and a cpe pod with: boost, EGT, and oil pressure on my dash. it works out very well...
for your air/fuel ratio (AFR) gauge, you have to either drill/tap(put threads in the hole) an extra hole into your downpipe so that you can screw in the new sensor, or buy an aftermarket downpipe with this work already done for you so that you can do this.
before you pay this dude to do all this work, tell us EXACTLY what you have here:
1. what kind of air/fuel gauge do you have? is it a wideband sensor, or a narrowband sensor? (exact brand/model would be helpful)
2. what kind of downpipe do you have? stock? aftermarket?
3. did the guy mention what he was going to do to install the air/fuel sensor and the oil pressure sensor?
btw...do NOT let him simply replace your stock oil pressure sensor with the aftermarket sensor, because if he does, you're probably going to get a CEL when your ECU realizes that the stock sensor isn't there, or is reading too low. unless he does something sneaky to trick the ECU into thinking that the stock sensor is still there and reading a safe pressure, he's just going to cause you loads of headache down the road.
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Too late, bought the gauges and all already and I still like the look of the gauges versus that of the DH.
I got 3 GlowShift gauges: boost, LED Air/Fuel, and oil pressure. I have the stock downpipe. And I didn't speak to anyone yet about installation for the sensors. The guy I spoke with was just going to do the gauges. My father is in the autobody business and has a mechanic who is willing to help me get the gauges on.
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