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Well today was not my day. I just got back from tinting the windows on my mazda 3 hatch and when i drove home i realized there was a scratch on the back window about 2" long. I know when i took my car there it didn't have the scratch but the owner of the buisness refuses to believe he sratched my window from taking apart my spoiler and windshield wiper to tint my car. He said the only way he will fix/replace my window is if i take him to court which i will. Anyone got any legal advices?
 

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Got any photos of the area in question without a scratch? If you got something close to recent it'll help your case.

Beyond that it might come down to your word against his even with a lawyer.
 

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Got any photos of the area in question without a scratch? If you got something close to recent it'll help your case.

Beyond that it might come down to your word against his even with a lawyer.
no not really but i do have witnessess like my roomates that can vouch for me because they also believe dont scratches were not there when i took it to the shop
 

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I mean even it it gets to the point where its his words agasint mine then I should have an upper hand right? His buisness involves tinting windows and therefore he should have checked the windows for any scratches before starting to tint windows so this doesn't happen.
 

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Go to another tint shop and talk to the manager. See if he'd mind having one or two of his guys (guys who actually work the cars) take a look at your car. Have them look it over (they've probably not worked a 3 before) and ask them if based on the location of the scratch(es), see if they think it could be caused by improper removal of the spoiler. A competitor of the tint shop you went with should be more than happy to comply when you mention you're sueing their competition.

If they think it caused if, have them write a formal letter, signed and witnessed as their testimony that they believe the scratch on the window was caused by the removal of the spoiler. I dunno if that'd hold up in court but it couldn't hurt.

You've also got a pretty good case as you mentioned the dealer should have checked for scratches before hand and if he saw any, he should have denoted somewhere on the paperwork you recieved afterward that "Rear window scratched upon arrival". Now he could easily forge something like that after the fact if he really wanted to, but to hold up in court you'd think you'd have to have signed it prior to the work being done.

Take his bluffing ass to court.
 

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agreed! The only problem is i dont know how he scratched my car whether it was from the removal of the spoiler/ rear wiper or cutting the film to tint the windows.
 

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Since your car is brand new, see if the dealership has any pictures of your car. Sometimes the cars are posted on the internet and a close up might show NO scratch.

A stab in the dark but who knows. Good luck.

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future warning to ppl take pictures of your cars for insurance purposes...sorry to hear whats going on, best of luck to ya...go ram that guy in the arse!
 

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I'm not so sure about your chances. Not saying the shop didn't do it, but if you bring a lawsuit it's on you to prove they did, not them to prove they didn't. I would consider what it will cost you if you lose before you decide to do it. Is the scratch that bad?
 

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There is no "innocent until proven guilty" in small claims civil court. Whoever presents the most likely story wins.

Is it likely that a nearly new car got its window scratch from a window tinting shop that had to remove a few tidbits near the window? Sounds likely to me.
 

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There is no "innocent until proven guilty" in small claims civil court. Whoever presents the most likely story wins.

Is it likely that a nearly new car got its window scratch from a window tinting shop that had to remove a few tidbits near the window? Sounds likely to me.
The standard in small claims is a "preponderance of the evidence" Doesn't sound like there is any evidence to me. Not saying he can't win, just that he should weigh what it will cost him if he doesn't.
 

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Evidence:

The car is nearly brand new, thus the potential for prior damage is very limited.
Rear windows are rarely damaged through normal use, unlike the front or even the side windows.
The window tinters had to remove quite a few parts from the vincinity of the rear window in order to tint it. I don't know exactly what tools were used, but I think at least one of those was capable of scratching a rear window.

No, there isn't a video or photo of the tint guy scratching the rear window. If there is, we wouldn't be discussing preponderance.
 

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I'd say you have a good chance at it. Small Claims court is a lot different than other courts. You have a good case, especially with a brand new car.
 

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LeeLee said:
Evidence:

The car is nearly brand new, thus the potential for prior damage is very limited.
Rear windows are rarely damaged through normal use, unlike the front or even the side windows.
The window tinters had to remove quite a few parts from the vincinity of the rear window in order to tint it. I don't know exactly what tools were used, but I think at least one of those was capable of scratching a rear window.

No, there isn't a video or photo of the tint guy scratching the rear window. If there is, we wouldn't be discussing preponderance.
You're right. He's guaranteed to win. I'd go forward with it without a second thought.
 

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Well today was not my day. I just got back from tinting the windows on my mazda 3 hatch and when i drove home i realized there was a scratch on the back window about 2" long. I know when i took my car there it didn't have the scratch but the owner of the buisness refuses to believe he sratched my window from taking apart my spoiler and windshield wiper to tint my car. He said the only way he will fix/replace my window is if i take him to court which i will. Anyone got any legal advices?
Strange question... why would they have to remove rear spoiler to tint if tint goes on inside of window? I haven't inspected the rear window to see if there is any intrusion or hardware from the spoiler that needed to be removed. Was it just for clarity and quality verification?

What am I missing?
 

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LeeLee said:
Evidence:

The car is nearly brand new, thus the potential for prior damage is very limited.
Rear windows are rarely damaged through normal use, unlike the front or even the side windows.
The window tinters had to remove quite a few parts from the vincinity of the rear window in order to tint it. I don't know exactly what tools were used, but I think at least one of those was capable of scratching a rear window.

No, there isn't a video or photo of the tint guy scratching the rear window. If there is, we wouldn't be discussing preponderance.
You're right. He's guaranteed to win. I'd go forward with it without a second thought.
What is your problem? Why do you pretend that just because I am disagreeing with you that I am irrational? Did I say he is guaranteed to win? I have no idea if he is going to win. I think he should try, and I disagree with your assessment that there is no evidence. Disagree if you'd like and present your side of the argument.
 

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I was wondering about the spoiler too, why would it come off if he's tinting the inside?
 

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I think this could be done without a lawyer even, unless you really want one. I mean, really what this depends on is if the Judge is in a good mood and whether or not he likes you.
 

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I think this could be done without a lawyer even, unless you really want one. I mean, really what this depends on is if the Judge is in a good mood and whether or not he likes you.
I think that you can represent yourself without a lawyer in small claim court too (like all those court shows on TV like Judge Judy) You will have to take your car to a professional shop for an estimate done for the scratch. That is if you can just repair, or worse, replace the window, and then get tinted again. And take the copy of the estimate to present before the judge, that would be the money you are suing for. Plus request car rental fee if the repair will leave you without a car.

If you have glass coverage on your insurance, you should sue for the deductible plus a fee for tinting the window again (or a refund for the poor job).
 

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They don't remove the spoiler. The window dimensions would bee to drastic of a difference to measure the outside vs. inside for that window.

Unless your guy puts tint on the outside - in which case you have a whole different issue.... :)
 
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