if it uses ford parts then all of the brochures we got saying when replacing parts they use geniune mazda parts are lying to us
Has Ford screwed up our Mazdas?
So.... so many of the parts in the Mazda's are Ford parts. They made a super winning model with the Mazda.......sharp, sporty looking, better than any other US model on the road (in my opinion) And they use the inferior Ford parts in it that in the long run will cheapen our cars.
I went with a friend of mine to Toyota because they didn't have a car after selling there's and wanted to buy a Toyota, so I took them around to look at cars. The guy at Toyota saw my car and said it looked really super nice and "too bad it uses the Ford parts in it. If they hadn't done that it would have outsold all others in that class." I really like my car, but I have never liked Ford cars....never will....so, it gives me 2nd thoughts about keeping it long term. When I buy cars I keep them a long time, but I doubt I will keep this one. My friend really loved my car, and initially wanted to get one, but went with the Toyota in the end.
Thoughts on this..........??????
I went with a friend of mine to Toyota because they didn't have a car after selling there's and wanted to buy a Toyota, so I took them around to look at cars. The guy at Toyota saw my car and said it looked really super nice and "too bad it uses the Ford parts in it. If they hadn't done that it would have outsold all others in that class." I really like my car, but I have never liked Ford cars....never will....so, it gives me 2nd thoughts about keeping it long term. When I buy cars I keep them a long time, but I doubt I will keep this one. My friend really loved my car, and initially wanted to get one, but went with the Toyota in the end.
Thoughts on this..........??????
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Didn't say ALL the parts are Ford parts.
i know, just one of the books we got says they use geniune mazda parts, so i would think all the parts are mazda
Most of the M3's are actually Mazda parts. Some are ford influenced, but nothing important. The MV5 for example has way more ford parts than the M3's. Think of it this way, they make the M3's in japan. Most of the parts are made there as well. Ford makes most of their parts domestically, it doesn't make sense to ship ford parts over sea's to have the car's shipped back over sea's. In other words, that guy is generalizing the Mazda/Ford relationship.
Has Ford screwed up our Mazdas???? Most certainly NOT!
I'm sure just about everyone here loves the way their 3 handles. It handles as well as it does because of the C1 platform it uses, the one from the Ford Focus (in europe) and also in the Volvo S40. I believe the 2.3l in the 3s is a Mazda engine, while the 2.0l is a Ford engine though Mazda uses their own head on it to give it VVT.
In fact, in Europe, Ford is a top brand, no stigma of a POS brand as it has been acquiring here in the States. That's because the Fords in Europe are high quality, great looking vehicles. It's when they get changed for 'murca that they get cheapened and uglified. Check these photos:
Europe's 300 bhp AWD Focus: http://www.americancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061127.001/6061127.001.1M.jpg
Ford Mondeo, Ford's midsize for Europe:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/400/ford2.1.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/400/ford1.0.jpg
Luckily, Ford has stated that they will realign the model lines from Europe and NA and hopefully then we can get the great cars that Ford gives everyone else.
I'm sure just about everyone here loves the way their 3 handles. It handles as well as it does because of the C1 platform it uses, the one from the Ford Focus (in europe) and also in the Volvo S40. I believe the 2.3l in the 3s is a Mazda engine, while the 2.0l is a Ford engine though Mazda uses their own head on it to give it VVT.
In fact, in Europe, Ford is a top brand, no stigma of a POS brand as it has been acquiring here in the States. That's because the Fords in Europe are high quality, great looking vehicles. It's when they get changed for 'murca that they get cheapened and uglified. Check these photos:
Europe's 300 bhp AWD Focus: http://www.americancarfans.com/spyphotos/6061127.001/6061127.001.1M.jpg
Ford Mondeo, Ford's midsize for Europe:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/400/ford2.1.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/400/ford1.0.jpg
Luckily, Ford has stated that they will realign the model lines from Europe and NA and hopefully then we can get the great cars that Ford gives everyone else.
According to this article, the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan have scored slightly better reliability than the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry. Not a small feat considering how new they are.
The salesman had it wrong. Its not that Ford is messing up Mazda, its actually that Mazda is helping Ford out. Take a look at the Fusion/Milan/MKZ sedans. All based on the Mazda6. The new Ford Focus (not here because Ford is obviously stupid) is based on the Mazda3/Volvo S40 C1 chassis.
The reason Ford is really staying afloat is because they are now beginning to use their ownership in other car companies to build their cars. Same things goes for Dodge/Chrysler (300C for one) and GM (getting chassis from their Opel and Holden subsidiaries in Europe and Austraila).
The reason Ford is really staying afloat is because they are now beginning to use their ownership in other car companies to build their cars. Same things goes for Dodge/Chrysler (300C for one) and GM (getting chassis from their Opel and Holden subsidiaries in Europe and Austraila).
This is nothing new. Ford and Mazda have shared technology since the 80s, and in 95 Ford SAVED Mazda from going out of business. That salesperson got exactly the response he wanted out of you by saying that. He wanted to instill doubt in your car so you'd buy one of his.
i saw a focus st here the other day, and turned around and chased the guy down to talk to him. the car is the sex. gorgeous interior and exterior. we got to talking about how stupid ford is for not bringing that car to the states. that would really have a strong market. and also, did anyone else read the autoweek or CD where they were talkin bout the detroit autoshow? which car was the least impressive? the f'in redesigned ford focus of course. almost 2 platforms behind its sister companied overseas
if you use the same reasoning, camry is made in the US -- therefore it must be shit.
ford focus st...not made in the u.s., its a volvo. i never said its because it was made in the u.s. that it was shit. but when other countries get better models of our domestic companies than we do; yes that is shit, and you can quote me on that.
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So.... so many of the parts in the Mazda's are Ford parts. They made a super winning model with the Mazda.......sharp, sporty looking, better than any other US model on the road (in my opinion) And they use the inferior Ford parts in it that in the long run will cheapen our cars.
I went with a friend of mine to Toyota because they didn't have a car after selling there's and wanted to buy a Toyota, so I took them around to look at cars. The guy at Toyota saw my car and said it looked really super nice and "too bad it uses the Ford parts in it. If they hadn't done that it would have outsold all others in that class." I really like my car, but I have never liked Ford cars....never will....so, it gives me 2nd thoughts about keeping it long term. When I buy cars I keep them a long time, but I doubt I will keep this one. My friend really loved my car, and initially wanted to get one, but went with the Toyota in the end.
Thoughts on this..........??????
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Your post only shows how gullible and misinformed you and your friend really are. Because there are Ford parts in the 3 doesn't automatically make it inferior. The industry is getting more and more competitive everyday and the domestic companies are being forced to improve and it has shown in past few years. The guy at Toyota is an a**hole who will say anything to get your business. Yes in the past Ford has made some vehicles that were less than reliable but can you name one manufacturer that hasn't? Don't tell me Honda or Toyota because the Accord tranny and timing belt issue is well known as well as the sludge issues that plagued Toyota. And that's to name a few. Maybe you should do some serious research rather than relying totally on what others have to say.
So.... so many of the parts in the Mazda's are Ford parts. They made a super winning model with the Mazda.......sharp, sporty looking, better than any other US model on the road (in my opinion) And they use the inferior Ford parts in it that in the long run will cheapen our cars.
I went with a friend of mine to Toyota because they didn't have a car after selling there's and wanted to buy a Toyota, so I took them around to look at cars. The guy at Toyota saw my car and said it looked really super nice and "too bad it uses the Ford parts in it. If they hadn't done that it would have outsold all others in that class." I really like my car, but I have never liked Ford cars....never will....so, it gives me 2nd thoughts about keeping it long term. When I buy cars I keep them a long time, but I doubt I will keep this one. My friend really loved my car, and initially wanted to get one, but went with the Toyota in the end.
Thoughts on this..........??????
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Your post only shows how gullible and misinformed you and your friend really are. Because there are Ford parts in the 3 doesn't automatically make it inferior. The industry is getting more and more competitive everyday and the domestic companies are being forced to improve and it has shown in past few years. The guy at Toyota is an a**hole who will say anything to get your business. Yes in the past Ford has made some vehicles that were less than reliable but can you name one manufacturer that hasn't? Don't tell me Honda or Toyota because the Accord tranny and timing belt issue is well known as well as the sludge issues that plagued Toyota. And that's to name a few. Maybe you should do some serious research rather than relying totally on what others have to say.
ok seriously guys... before saying that all parts are Made In Japan and that they are all Mazda, you should seriously open the hood from time to time...
Most parts has FoMoCo stamped on them and most parts are not made in Japan. The car is assembled in Japan with parts from all over the place. When I installed my springs all the parts were Ford. Shocks were Ford and Made in Poland, everything that I saw had Ford on them and nothing was made in Japan. Even the fuel tank is Ford. The only thing that is not Ford that I've seen up to now is the Airbag module which is Bosch and Made in Germany.
But there's is nothing wrong with that or FoMoCo. The chassis of the 3 was designed with Volvo and Ford Europe. The engine was developped by Mazda with the help of Ford (Cosworth). Those parts are shared amongst the various Ford brands (Volvo, Ford, Mazda, Jaguar, even Aston Martin). It's like Mazda was part of a huge group buy for parts
So who cares if the 3 has Ford all over the place...
Next time someone says the 3 is a Ford, tell them yes but so is Jaguar and Aston Martin. Tell them that the 3 is not the same as the North American Ford Focus, but does share it's chassis with the Volvo S40
Most parts has FoMoCo stamped on them and most parts are not made in Japan. The car is assembled in Japan with parts from all over the place. When I installed my springs all the parts were Ford. Shocks were Ford and Made in Poland, everything that I saw had Ford on them and nothing was made in Japan. Even the fuel tank is Ford. The only thing that is not Ford that I've seen up to now is the Airbag module which is Bosch and Made in Germany.
But there's is nothing wrong with that or FoMoCo. The chassis of the 3 was designed with Volvo and Ford Europe. The engine was developped by Mazda with the help of Ford (Cosworth). Those parts are shared amongst the various Ford brands (Volvo, Ford, Mazda, Jaguar, even Aston Martin). It's like Mazda was part of a huge group buy for parts
So who cares if the 3 has Ford all over the place... Next time someone says the 3 is a Ford, tell them yes but so is Jaguar and Aston Martin. Tell them that the 3 is not the same as the North American Ford Focus, but does share it's chassis with the Volvo S40
Hey greyzoomer, explain how Ford parts are somehow "inferior". Just because you're not a fan of fords means that they're crap? Some of you people on this forum that think "oh shit my Mazda has a few ford parts" are complete retards. As if Fords just fall apart after you buy them. I'm pretty sure a company thats been building cars for over a century knows what the hell they're doing. If you look at any JD Power quality studies, Ford has always been ranked higher than Mazda, and Lincoln which are basically Fords, is usually in the top 3 brands. And second If it wasn't for Ford, Mazda probably wouldn't even be around anymore.
Interesting? I guess somebody should tell the guy at Toyota why the Toyota matrix/ Pontiac Vibe are alike and who is using who's part, and why in Japan the chevrolet cavalier is called the Toyota cavalier? Even here in the North America the Saturn Vue uses the Honda Pilot engine? It's almost everybody is using something from somebody. and I guess oh well that is just the way it is. :lol:
The quality of the parts is how they are made, not what brand they come from.
I hope the Mazda fans out there realize the reality that Mazda would not exist without Ford.
Really. They were one of the most worst-run large businesses out of Japan in the 80s and 90s. Yes they made cars that have a cult-following. But no, they were not profitable and in dire need of help.
What makes me bust out laughing is when the Mazda guys bash the Ford guys saying that Ford is making Mazda suck. Truth is, Ford allows Mazda actually make cars... which I guess you can say that having a car is inherently more unreliable than never building the car because a defunct businesses has 0 cars that fail... of course it creates 0 cars.
For example, you know that 2.3L and basis C1 chassis that everybody and their moms keeps on raving about? Mazda gets a lot of benefit from that motor and chassis flexibility, but Ford ate most of the ER&D expense and basically poined up the funds requisite in making that stuff happen. Lucky for Mazda - they come out ahead with a great design, with big-huge-corporate backing. This is the stark contrast to the rotary B.S. that Ford execs wanted to kill - but Mazda bitched and moaned enough to convince people that Mazda could do that rotary up right even though the resulting benefit would be with Mazda alone and PAG/Ford/Whatever got nothing to show for it. Mazda gets to reap what they did with that one... which really isn't that much.
Really. They were one of the most worst-run large businesses out of Japan in the 80s and 90s. Yes they made cars that have a cult-following. But no, they were not profitable and in dire need of help.
What makes me bust out laughing is when the Mazda guys bash the Ford guys saying that Ford is making Mazda suck. Truth is, Ford allows Mazda actually make cars... which I guess you can say that having a car is inherently more unreliable than never building the car because a defunct businesses has 0 cars that fail... of course it creates 0 cars.
For example, you know that 2.3L and basis C1 chassis that everybody and their moms keeps on raving about? Mazda gets a lot of benefit from that motor and chassis flexibility, but Ford ate most of the ER&D expense and basically poined up the funds requisite in making that stuff happen. Lucky for Mazda - they come out ahead with a great design, with big-huge-corporate backing. This is the stark contrast to the rotary B.S. that Ford execs wanted to kill - but Mazda bitched and moaned enough to convince people that Mazda could do that rotary up right even though the resulting benefit would be with Mazda alone and PAG/Ford/Whatever got nothing to show for it. Mazda gets to reap what they did with that one... which really isn't that much.
^ Totally agree. If it wasn't for ford Mazda would've gone under long time ago.
We shoul give Ford some credit.
We shoul give Ford some credit.
But then why doesn't Ford utilize their finacial efforts here in America? We are the biggest consumers of automobiles and since they were paying for this platform, why not use it too? I know they use it for the Focus in Europe, but why not here?
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