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Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you all know that today at CES escort unveiled a new radar detector, the 9500i which is to be the replacement for the 8500 x50.

This detector comes with a whole slew of features, the biggest one being integrated GPS and the ability to reduce false alerts by programming locations into the detector.

For more info and a semi-in-depth review, check out www.radarroy.com.





Price is going to be $450 and it should be available in march.
 

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niicee. this thing sounds ridiculous!!! might have to wait for a price drop though, considering its supposed to cost almost 500 bux.
 

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Man that sounds like it should be worth the price. And looks like another 1up on a certain other radar detector.
 

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yea i agree, im actually considering spending my tax return check when it comes on that babyy.....
 

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that is hot, i'd love that! my 8500 will be for sale as soon as this hits the stores!
 

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THIS MAY KILL YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THIS DETECTOR!

:lmao:


LONG READ AHEAD...but worth it IMO...yes I typed it all


Another pathetic attempt by Escort to try and put themselves "above" the V1. So sad, face it Escort you've lost this battle!

1) Laser Sensitivity on par with the 8500 and the RX65, this shows that they have yet to take the V1's title of "Unsurpassable Laser Detection"
2) Still no Spectre protection (yes I know the V1 doesn't have this yet but it's still near impossible to detect due to its magnesium case, the 9500i...two words...plastic case...enough said).
3) It's Range...yeah I'm not going there...again two words...one antenna (V1 has 2)
4) The Truelock feature (this is the GPS feature that everyone thinks is awesome) Well Cobra and Uniden came out with this technology first...do you see the "class" of detectors that those things are? I should just end that right there but I'll give you a little scenario to show you the uselessness of this GPS feature.

Here is the scenario to explain it...

Your driving down the road and you pass by a place (lets say a supermarket) and get a false on K-band (that you normally get) on a certain frequency, lets say 21 GHz (K-band radar ranges from 20 - 40 GHz) okay you go through the special process to program that location and frequency into the detector so you don't get a false in that location anymore, okay fine! So now your driving along that same road the next day all fat dumb and happy that your detector is so "cool and advanced" that it won't bother you with any false alarms so you speed by the supermarket. Meanwhile, what you've failed to notice is the cop car sitting inside the parking lot (because he knows people usually ignore radar detectors in the proximity of a supermarket because they assume they are falses) and he shoots you with his radar gun. Well you would have no problem detecting him...BUT...the thing is that the gun he has happens to be a K-band gun operating at 21 GHz! The same band and frequency you told your radar detector to ignore! (Don't put this off as something that would "never happen" I know plenty of cops that do security at my job and they all tell me they love to find out what frequency the auto doors work on in places like that so they can use the same to catch people who brush it off as falses (or who don't have bogey counters)).

So basically: You + GPS system to prevent annoying falses = Happy Cop and you getting screwed!

What would happen with lets say the V1 is that you would instantly get alerted of an extra K-band alert ahead (even if they are the same frequency) and you could slow down because you would know that there was an extra signal in the mix. Did the supermarket put up an extra door? Yeah, I doubt it...COP! :lol:

So with the V1: You + V1 with arrows and bogey counter = Happy you and PWNED COP! 8)

So know you make the decision...fancy GPS system that Cobra and Uniden used first on their low class detectors...or arrows, a bogey counter and military grade protection surpassable by no one?


CLIFF NOTES: V1 > Any attempt made by any other company

That is all! :klavergreg:

Comment away! :popcorn:

Mr. Speed
 

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^^ lol. Nice editorial.
 

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Ah mr speed and here is the response. I'm so glad you brought it up.

First off, if you get hit with laser since the chances of you actually getting scatter is pretty slim, you are fucked no if ands or buts about it UNLESS you have veil coating, a license plate cover AND a laser jammer. Yea the V1's laser detection is unparalled but for what purpose, to tell you that you've been boned by a cop.

2nd, since bel and escort are one company they aren't gonna release a detector that is immune to spectre to compete with the STi. I'm sure that will be something for the 2008 detector releases. And again, if you need something to be immune to spectre go buy an STi, it's almost as good as the V1 but IS immune to spectre, not almost immune like the v1.

3rd, the range of the escort and the beltronics high end detectors is almost as good as the V1. In fact I bet real world performance won't be able to tell any of a difference. Ka performance is as good on both detectors, with only K and X band being outdone by the V1 (woop de doo more falses). 2 antennas doesn't make the V1 have better range, it allows it to tell you if it is receiving a signal from in front or behind. Yes the rear range may be better, but if you are being shot from the rear you may have also been getting paced in which case you are still screwed. Arrows are overrated, I've used them and they do nothing for me. If you get a radar alert that is not a false slow the F down, who cares where it came from. You still need to use your eyes with a V1 as well as with any other detector.

Finally, lemme explain why the gps feature is indeed useful. Let's take your exact scenario word for word. There are two reasons why the detector will show this alert. 1st off, the cop has to be shooting the exact same frequency with NO variation for the detector to rule this out as a false because of the programmed location. In the event that the cop is indeed shooting radar with the exact same frequency, he will most likely point the radar down the lane traveled which will spread the radar signal for lets say half a mile to a mile. You will receive this alert before you get close to that GPS location because the radar signal will have traveled outside the hotspot marked off by your detector, therefore alerting you prior to getting to where you programmed the false alarm.

EDIT: Also, would the V1's bogey counter be able to differentiate between the door opener and the radar gun. I think not if they are running at the exact same frequency. Got any info on this?
EDIT2: The 8500 x50 has a bogey counter, don't see why they would take it out of this one...in fact they didn't take it out of this detector. It is called the Threat Display.

Yes V1 is the best detector as far as detection goes, but what good is a detector if you can't tell what is a cop and what isn't. I don't think V1 is the best all around detector anymore, and i find it laughable that people will immediately ignore any other detector because of some stupid brand loyalty, especially when no official tests have been run. I really hope the 9500i proves to be as good as we all hope it will just so V1 users can complain to mike to do something about all the false alerts they get on their detectors.
 

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Mr Speed I'm glad you actually read someone else's "actual" review of the unit.

At the last radar “fishing hole,” I coaxed an officer friend of mine to park across the street from the Shell Gas Station. He parked in a car dealer’s parking lot to run his Falcon K band hand held. My interest was to confirm that the 9500i would alert to another radar source at this location, after earlier marking the location as a false alert.

I approached the officer’s location at normal highway speed. At over a mile away the 9500i began alerting to the officers K band radar gun and the signal strength graph increased as I approached. The 9500i was at full alert on the officer’s radar gun as I passed, even though I had previously marked the spot as a false alert location.
Also good reading: http://www.speedzones.com/long_range_test.html
http://www.radarbusters.com/support/speedlabs-2006/max-range-radar-detector-test.asp
 

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Sometimes I question the validity of the SML tests seeing as how the 8500 and the V1 are below the Cobras in detection. Regardless though, it is data and should be taken into account.
 

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[quote author=Hexedit link=topic=66425.msg1143072#msg1143072 date=1168467757]
Sometimes I question the validity of the SML tests seeing as how the 8500 and the V1 are below the Cobras in detection. Regardless though, it is data and should be taken into account.
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Which detection? Long Range has the Corbra's well off the Escorts and V1 same with over the Hill.
 

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Hey Hexedit,

1) Your absolutely right about the laser, the best protection for it is indeed a V1 USED WITH Veil to be 110% affective.
2) Yes the STi is totally immune to Spectre (not a real big concern for me in my area but anyway) the V1 is MUCH harder to detect than the Escort (that was my point)
3) My arrows and bogey counter have saved me numerous times! (Like in the situation I posted above) Many people think "if it beeps slow down" but the arrows and bogey counter really do help in certain situations. And yes absolutely "You still need to use your eyes with a V1 as well as with any other detector."
4) Okay about the GPS, I see where your coming from and I guess we will have to wait for some "official" tests to come out. BUT I'm just telling it like I see how all the other detectors work, as well as hearing what other people have been saying about this technology.

By the way, Yes the V1's bogey counter is able to differentiate between a door opener and a radar gun at the same frequency since I ran into this situation myself...no bad outcomes by the way :lol:

Too me the V1 is the best detector due to its features, I've done tests with both the V1 and X50 (no not in the same car, different car belonging to a friend of mine that has an X50) and he sold his immediately after seeing that mine would pick up cops that his wouldn't! Yeah it :shock: ed me too!

Oh and I won't immediately ignore another detector because of some "stupid brand loyalty". I call it as I see it, I know how my V1 works and I swear by the thing not because I'm a brainwashed zombie about the company, but because the detector outperforms the rest. Escort to me is just pissed that Mike left them and started off on his own and now patented all the technology that makes the V1 have the detection that it has and they can't compete with it due to the patents!


Now Operator,

I've read a couple of review's and that's what I got from them (BTW I appreciate the links you posted). Now you'll notice in what you quoted that the review states that the officer was using a K-band gun (the same as the false location uses) but didn't state the frequency the gun was operating at or the frequency that the false was operating at. That's what I stated the problem with this technology would be. I'm sure it would have no trouble detecting a (for example) officer running a 40GHz K-band gun and a pre-programmed false at 30GHz K-band. The trouble that I've read is SAME frequencies.

Well we'll just have to wait and hear about some more "official" reviews

Mr. Speed
 

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[quote author=Operator link=topic=66425.msg1143108#msg1143108 date=1168468488]
[quote author=Hexedit link=topic=66425.msg1143072#msg1143072 date=1168467757]
Sometimes I question the validity of the SML tests seeing as how the 8500 and the V1 are below the Cobras in detection. Regardless though, it is data and should be taken into account.
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Which detection? Long Range has the Corbra's well off the Escorts and V1 same with over the Hill.
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The long range test you posted.

Edit: Nevermind I am dumb and couldn't tell it was in alphabetical order.

[quote author=Mr. Speed link=topic=66425.msg1143110#msg1143110 date=1168468562]
By the way, Yes the V1's bogey counter is able to differentiate between a door opener and a radar gun at the same frequency since I ran into this situation myself...no bad outcomes by the way :lol:

Too me the V1 is the best detector due to its features, I've done tests with both the V1 and X50 (no not in the same car, different car belonging to a friend of mine that has an X50) and he sold his immediately after seeing that mine would pick up cops that his wouldn't! Yeah it :shock: ed me too!
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I highly doubt that both radar source were 21 ghz exactly. Maybe one was 21.4 and the other was 21.2. I don't doubt for a second the V1's ability to differentiate between those two sources and display it in the bogey counter, the V1 detection is almost unparalled. But if they were both running exactly 21 ghz I don't know if the V1 would show 2 threats or 1, and I don't think there is any documentation on this as I've searched repeatedly. I've been looking at detectors ever since I got my first ticket 3 years ago.

That being said, my first ticket I ever got I had a V1 in the car and I got paced and then clocked from behind with absolutely no warning. The V1 didn't save me then but then again no detector would have. But it showed me the fallacies of relying on the arrows and while they are useful, I've learned to live without them.

Mr Speed, I'm not trying to say you are a v1 zombie although you definitely came across as such, and I agree that uniden and cobra both suck. But the escort clearly has more features than the V1 and if it does work as good as an x50 or rx65 and the gps part works as well, this will become a world class detector...especially with its ability to download speed trap locations from other users.
 

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Hey Hexedit,

Remember my first post? About me being friends with the cops from my job? Well that's how I tested it, and believe me I wouldn't have believed it either if I didn't see for myself!

BTW, I do agree with you that the Escort has more features, absolutely hands down it does, but does it have the "right" ones? We'll see...

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Also just because Cobra and Uniden used a GPS function doesn't mean that Escort can't build on a similar tech. and make it better.
 
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