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Do we have the Bose Audiopilot?

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I was browsing the Mazda website for good ol times and the specs on the GT say the stereo its the Bose 7speaker 200w blah blah. But then it says it has the Bose Audiopilot standard. I wasn't sure if we did or not. The audio pilot is their active noise canceling technology to bring out the sound the way it should be. Uses a mic to determine road noise and then play an inverse sound through the speakers etc..

Anyone know? Something to complain about?
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I don't believe the MS3 GT is equipped with any kind of noise-canceling technology, at least as far as I can tell. I think the closest it gets is the velocity-controlled volume. Whether or not that feature incorporates any kind of noise-cancellation, I can't say for sure, but it doesn't seem like it from what I've experienced so far in my car. I could be wrong, though. This is the first time I've seen that mentioned.

I don't think it's something worth complaining about, though. The Bose system is what it is, and I guess most of us will just deal with it or go for some kind of custom installation. Given all of the stuff that's integrated into the factory stereo, I'd imagine trying to do any kind of custom audio setup would be kind of a nightmare, unless you're really hardcore about it.

That being said, I will say that I've been pretty disappointed with the Bose sound system in my MS3. Pardon me if I go off on a tangent here, but personally I think Mazda could have done a lot better in choosing an outside company to do the audio (Pioneer, etc.). My guess is that they opted for a big-name brand that turns a lot of average-joe heads, and was probably a smart business move for somebody somewhere in the Mazda world. I've worked as a recording engineer for over 10 years now and have seen a lot of different things that Bose has to offer, and in general, I find most of it to be overrated, overpriced crap. It may sound all right to most, but the whole concept driving a lot of Bose products is using some kind of acoustic trickery to enhance parts of the sound to make it sound fuller without actually reproducing what you're supposed to hear accurately. (There's a reason you wouldn't find Bose monitors in any kind of a professional studio.)

I had a Nissan 300zx twin-turbo while I was in college, and it also came with a Bose system that was just crap. They used separate preamps for each speaker section that were notorious for failing in high heat, as well as a head unit that eventually just melted itself to death. I bought my Z used, and after about a year, things just started to go out one after another. First the entire driver's side speaker array, then the passenger's. After a while I was left with only these teeny little rear speakers for sound, which was scratchy and fuzzy due to the head unit's slow death. Eventually I ended up just ripping out the entire Bose system myself and putting in some decent speakers, a couple of amps and a nice Pioneer head unit, which I took with me when I sold the Z and bought an Integra. (Hey, I was in college and the insurance / premium gas started to eat away at the pocketbook. :p)

Anyway, the one thing I'm glad for about the whole audio system is the AUX IN port in the center console. Should be real nice and easy when I get around to buying a good MP3 player. All in all, I guess I'll say that the Bose system ain't bad, but it ain't all that great, either. Just one of those things I'll have to live with. After all, it wasn't the audio system that made me want to buy this car... ;)
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im pretty sure it does. sitting in the drivers seat, look straight ahead and down to the right. between the steering wheel and the radio. There is a microphone there.
no audiopilot, it's noise cancelling and on the MS3 that would be pointless because we have a beefier exhaust straight from the factory! We may have some form of Centrepoint, but I doubt that also. This appears to be a 7 speaker, amplified bose stereo. Non audiopilot, non centrepoint. Otherwise it would be stressed that it has it!!
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im pretty sure it does. sitting in the drivers seat, look straight ahead and down to the right. between the steering wheel and the radio. There is a microphone there.


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that's the chime for all the warning beeps/chimes.
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im pretty sure it does. sitting in the drivers seat, look straight ahead and down to the right. between the steering wheel and the radio. There is a microphone there.


[/quote]you mean under and to the right of the steering wheel? Thats the temperature sensor for the auto climate, behind the little slits. I'll go see what your talking about though


Either way it looks like Mazda said we have something we don't. Just like a few people not getting bose that said they should. etc etc..
When you go into the options on the H/U (ie. bass, treble, etc.) The first one is ALS if I remember correctly. It can be off, 1,2, or 3. Try those out, pretty sure it is what you are looking for. The more road noise it picks up, the louder it seems to be. Especially the difference from idle to starting to roll.
Audiopilot is the product that compensates for the ambient noise of driving. It sends "anti-noise" through the speakers to offset normal driving sounds. It is offered on CX-7, CX-9, and RX-8. It creates this anti-noise by using the inverted audio phase of the wavelength created by driving noises such as engine, suspension, and other mechanincal compnents. This technology is somewhat exclusive to Japanese cars, and was found in Honda, Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, and Nissan in the past. I believe that more companies have created similar products, but I have not heard them yet. The Speed3, just as any other 3, only offers the 222 watt Bose system. It does not include this technology unfortunately.
Like I said, the ALS is supposed to be what you were just speaking about Diablo.
Unless I am horribly mistaken, the Bose Audiopilot is *NOT* noise canceling! Active noise cancellation basically works as described above, a (multiple) microphone(s) cabin noise and send an out-of-phase signal to cancel the offending noise. The Audiopilot does not do this, it compensates for the noise by boosting the sterio's output for the frequency range of the noise. Basically, if road noise is in the 2khz-3khz range, Audiopilot plays that range louder to overcome the road noise.
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The Audiopilot does not do this, it compensates for the noise by boosting the sterio's output for the frequency range of the noise. Basically, if road noise is in the 2khz-3khz range, Audiopilot plays that range louder to overcome the road noise.
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that is how I understand it as well.
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Like I said, the ALS is supposed to be what you were just speaking about Diablo.
[/quote]ALC(not ALS) is only speed sensitive volume control... not AudioPilot. Here is some additional info...
The manual says "The ALC automatically adjusts the volume according to your vehicle speed."

Again I reinterate... we do not have AudioPilot. ALC really boosts mostly Bass in the rear speakers, but is kind of a "loudness" button that comes on depending on the vehicle speed. Try it out on the different levels and see what I mean.

Guys... noise cancelling technology is simply an inverted wave of some of the noises that the car makes during driving. It is sent out in very low doses through the front speakers. I am not an expert, but trust me I know what I am talking about a little bit.

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turbo... I believe that is a erroneous page on the mazda site. I know that it "says" there is Audiopilot on there, but on Bose radios that do have it, you have it as an option when you go through the audio features of the head unit. When you button through the ALC, Bass, etc... does anyone get an option for AudioPilot?

I'm not trying to start an argument... but Mazda makes mistakes even in their printed brochures.
alc is not a special feature. it does appear the the GT version of the MS3 might have the AP feature, although it's not an option for the sport model when i checked.
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turbo... I believe that is a erroneous page on the mazda site. I know that it "says" there is Audiopilot on there, but on Bose radios that do have it, you have it as an option when you go through the audio features of the head unit. When you button through the ALC, Bass, etc... does anyone get an option for AudioPilot?

I'm not trying to start an argument... but Mazda makes mistakes even in their printed brochures.
[/quote]I'm not either, I'm just pointing out mazda's mistakes. I'll email them and see what they say. Maybe i can get something out of it :p
http://www.bose.com/controller?even...NT&url=/automotive/innovations/audiopilot.jsp

It seems that the system is transparent, and I don't think there is any reason to think we don't have it. Plus from my own experience with the ACL off I can tell you that my radio is doing something with the volume. Bose website says to talk to Mazda, Mazda states the system has it, and I don't think there is any reason not to believe that. However if they are wrong, then we all have a nice credit coming to us like the Sport guys who had the 6 disc changer on their window stickers.
man, i've noticed the same thing with the ACL off.

the radio is definitely doing something in addition to
the ACL. At first I thought it might be my ipod acting
up, but this would explain it.
Yeah I think some people are getting confused, the car could and is said to have both ACL and Audio Pilot. All the stereos have ACL, but the Bose is supposed to have Audio Pilot.
Well I emailed them, hopefully we'll get something not some run around.
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