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I was planning to buy a Protege 5 but it will be replaced soon by the Mazda 3. I am not so hot about buying a car that has not been on the local market for a while.

I know it's been on the market for a while in some other countries. Anybody can tip me about the differences between the 3 and the P5? Overall but particularly about its reliability on the long run?

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Luc, Québec
 

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Hard to tell about the reliability. New cars are kinda hard to determine. Wait until more test drive reviews come out.

The Mazda 3 will use a totally different engine and chassis than the P5. So, it'll be a different car, but the same philosophy (Zoom-zoom) that went into the P5 will be in the Mazda 3. [Mazda owes me on that little bit of advertising... hahaha]

Also, the Mazda 3 is a bit faster than the P5.
 

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Luc, Quebec? Where exactly?

And the 3 has NOT been released in any countries yet. Not even Europe. It will be released everywhere at the same time, which is expected to be December tu January here, in Quebec.

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In terms of reliability, the essence of the 3 has existed in other cars. I believe the chasis has been used on a Euro Ford car, and the engine has been used in other cars as well. They both fair as reliable parts.
 

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In terms of reliability, the essence of the 3 has existed in other cars. I believe the chasis has been used on a Euro Ford car, and the engine has been used in other cars as well. They both fair as reliable parts.
I believe you're right and wrong. The chassis exists in the C-MAX and the 2.3L engine in the Mazda6.

But both are too new (one year old) to judge. So the 3 really is a new car!
 

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I think I would go for the Mazda 3 even if it's not proven itself for 2-3 years simply because of the much newer engine. The 2.3L seems mighty fine to me.

But I'll be waiting anyways before I can get a 3 because it probably wont go for very cheap as it's so new once it's released.
 

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I think the engineering now days is much better than in the 80's and early 90's. More focus is paid to quality (no pun intended w/ the "focus"). I don't care if it is brand new. If they recall it, so be it. That's why there is a warranty and lemon laws. But that is why the market is divided into categories: early adopters being one of them. I can't remember the others (even though I have a degree in Marketing, lol).
 

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Tru Dat. Cars are a hell of alot better than the old 80s early 90s. If you get into an accident there will atleast be 20 airbags to catch you.
 

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Yup, reliability of the car is not much an issue as it was 20 years ago. Hence I'm not worried at all if I were to get the car, maybe there might be a lot of annoying recalls but that would be a worst case scenario.
 

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Reliability is in the eye of the beholder

I, too, am curious about how the 3 will compare to the P5, but more in terms of curb weight and cargo area dimensions.

As for reliability, I agree with Phot3k. Both new cars I've owned (1991 Escort GT, 1998.0 Ford SVT Contour) have been "initial runs," but I never felt I'd be better off holding off on buying that model until the car "proves itself," and really my repair histories have been nothing to write home about. Of course, that's all a matter of expectations, since I actually don't mind doing preventive maintenance and minor repairs, while others scream "lemon law" when they hear a dashboard rattle.

Besides, how exactly do you intend to monitor reliability? J.D. Power reports of owner complaints? The inputs to that are things like "My Hummer gets poor gas mileage." Consumer Reports matrices of "reliability" with the little half-filled circles? "Sir, how exactly do you calculate your reliability statistics? Where do you get your data? ...Um, hello? Sir?..."

Bottom line: You pays your money, and you takes your chances no matter what you buy and when you buy it. However, if there is a genuine problem with a vehicle, the automaker will fix it. With the Web, finding out about TSB's really isn't that big a deal.

Here endeth the rant. :D
 

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Consumer Reports gets their reliabilty data from over 500,000 surveys gathered from their readership. They have shared quite a bit of information about this in the past.

It isn't without bias, as all of the data comes from people who subscribe to their magazine. This is not a perfect sample of the U.S. population. However on the whole, most of their subscribers want the magazine to be accurate, therefore they try to be accurate with their responses.

So it may not represent people who drive their cars really hard, but for the typical consumer, the reliability data is pretty solid.
 

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Hey everybody,

I went to a couple of dealers here in San Diego to see what they have left in terms of P5s and their offers, and I found a few that were quite good, especially this one:

:arrow: Protege5, SportAT, Moonroof/6CD, ABS/SAB, Leather seats, polished alloys, subwoofer (I think it sucks, but I'll list it anyway)... all that for $16,533.00 after rebate.

So I was totally convinced, I'll get that P5, screw the mz3, right? ... well now, I went to another dealer here in San Diego, and he told me he has the list of mazda 3's that he'll get on the 3rd week of november, and he told me that if I preorder one with just $500, I'll get a special price of "only $500 over dealer cost for the s models", which he said would be like a $1,500 discount.

So, what would you buy:

a) the fully loaded P5 stated above for $16,533
b) a mazda3 hatchback with the same options as the P5 except the leather for about $18,500

Is the motor and overall design of the mazda3 worth $2,000 to you ?
 

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Butters said:
Hey everybody,

I went to a couple of dealers here in San Diego to see what they have left in terms of P5s and their offers, and I found a few that were quite good, especially this one:

:arrow: Protege5, SportAT, Moonroof/6CD, ABS/SAB, Leather seats, polished alloys, subwoofer (I think it sucks, but I'll list it anyway)... all that for $16,533.00 after rebate.

So I was totally convinced, I'll get that P5, screw the mz3, right? ... well now, I went to another dealer here in San Diego, and he told me he has the list of mazda 3's that he'll get on the 3rd week of november, and he told me that if I preorder one with just $500, I'll get a special price of "only $500 over dealer cost for the s models", which he said would be like a $1,500 discount.

So, what would you buy:

a) the fully loaded P5 stated above for $16,533
b) a mazda3 hatchback with the same options as the P5 except the leather for about $18,500

Is the motor and overall design of the mazda3 worth $2,000 to you ?
I wonder if all the dealsers are the doing this?
 

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They're the same car. One just has a hatch and the other a trunk. ???
 

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schulk posted "Is the motor and overall design of the mazda3 worth $2,000 to you ?" My answer? Yesssssssssssss!
 

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schulk posted "Is the motor and overall design of the mazda3 worth $2,000 to you ?" My answer? Yesssssssssssss!
Huh?
 

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Actually the discount on the mazda3 I want wasn't $1,500... once we got into the numbers, it's actually more like $800 which means:

:arrow: fully loaded P5 $16,533
:arrow: allmost fully loaded Mz3 $19,200

That's a difference of $2,800... which makes for a tougher decision because I really want the mz3, but I don't know if it's a smart decision.

on the one hand, I can save $2,800 on a great P5.... on the other, $800 bellow MSRP on a brand new car is still a good deal I think... most people payed the sticker price on their 6s last year and were stoked, so it's not like it's not a good deal.

I put the $500 down on the Titanium Gray Mazda3 Hatch, with the SportAT, Moonroof/6CD, ABS/SAB/SAC... the guy said that if I change my mind, I can pass those $500 twards the P5, so I still can't decide.

Either way, I'm getting a new car in three weeks, I'll take lot's o' pics for ya.
 
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