I also understand what they (C&D) were trying to say unfortunately they did not say it well.anamnesis said:I understand what C&D is trying to say with regard to the negative aspect of refinement. Of course everyone loves refinement ... nobody is going to argue against refining a redesigned car. You guys are missing the boat here. They aren't saying that the 3 is bad, only that with progress comes the loss of what we were formerly used to, and change isn't ever easy.
They mean to imply, and I for one agree (having driven both the Protege and the 3) that the refinement has taken away the spritely and zippy nature of the old Protege. The 3 is bigger and heavier, and it is impossible to hide that bulk and weight ... but there is no doubt that the 3 does so excellently. Nevertheless, it has, as they said, "grown up". The handling is still there and it still exhibits the qualities we expect it to, but it is still heftier than the Protege. That is not a bad thing, but I understand exactly why they missed the lighter, "less refined" feel of the former Protege. It simply wasn't as bulky and quiet as the 3, and that has a certain lasting appeal that the 3 has sacrificed in order to become bigger and better.
could anyone tell my why the streetstart would be slower than the 0-60 ???ACCELERATION (Seconds)
Zero to 30 mph: 2.3
40 mph: 3.9
50 mph: 5.5
60 mph: 7.4
70 mph: 10.2
80 mph: 13.1
90 mph: 17.4
100 mph: 22.8
110 mph: 30.1
Street start, 5-60 mph: 8.6
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 11.7
50-70 mph: 11.7
Standing 1/4-mile: 16.0 sec @ 87 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 118 mph
Because C&D revs the engine up there before launching the car at stand-still, and the engine is working around the redline 90% of the time. On the other hand, they have to rev smoothly with street-start.
bluong1 said:Because C&D revs the engine up there before launching the car at stand-still, and the engine is working around the redline 90% of the time. On the other hand, they have to rev smoothly with street-start.
Personally I don't care about this way of doing 0-60 mph at all.
but spec-wise it does handle better than the protege... skid pad, braking, acceleration etc... it just FEELS like it doesnt handle as well because it goes about its thing so much smoother and more refined.Haris said:I just wished 3 handled same as protege. Oh well... It's more confortable than protege, so I guess thats the reason why they didnt put any tight suspensions.
This is the procedure for the 5mph start, he was describing the difference between that procedure and what they do for the 0-60mph which they do rev the engine into its peak torque range at launch. That is why they have 2 tests, one to see what it does when launched, and the other to see what the engine does under standard operating conditions.Car and Driver does not rev the car up at all when doing the street start (5mph-6- test) Heres how it happens:
1. Push the clutch in
2.put the shifter in first
3.gently apply gas while releasing clutch
4. let out clutch completely---
5.then at 5mph---floor it and run through the gears to 60mph.