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Helpful sites for me as a new Autocrosser

Hello all, I'm new to autocrossing and I have come to mazda3forums.com to learn. I have a 2006 Mazda 3i touring and have decided to compete in the stock classes (for now the street tire class). so far everyone I have come across on this site has been more than helpful and supportive. There are a few sites that I have also found very informative for a novice like me

Some videos on proper driving technique and tire prepping.

this was the most helpful as far as where to start and what to really expect.
http://www.goaheadtakethewheel.com/

Farnorthracing - this is more of a technical and very detailed as far as general "dialing in" your car
http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets.html

and above all is
http://www.scca.com/solo/content.cfm?cid=44517

the last link is like my bible as far as the true does and dont's for my class. I say this site bc the rules are always changing and to get the most up to date rules, come to the source

If you have some other suggestions or comments or reviews I'd like to hear about it.

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I'm pretty convinced that one of the factors that led to be upper middle of the pack after only one season is the fact that I think constantly about how a suspension functions, and how that dictates what makes a fast run.

Obviously thought is no substitute for seat time, but I don't think you can really get good if you aren't trying to understand what's going on. It's not enough to just wait for the next event and try to go faster. You should be thinking about what you did wrong last time, why you did that, and how you can avoid it. Donít just think of one mod as better or faster than another - try to understand what it will do, how the car works now and how it might work after the change. Make changes with a plan.

Record your runs in-car if you can, and try to capture your inputs as well as the view of the course. Watch the video of your best and worst runs and pick apart what you did.
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Also helpful is a way to record and log G forces during a run. Once you know your maximum lateral G's, you know if you're leaving time on the table. Likewise if you are a hitch in for/aft G's caused by not being fully on the brakes or gas you're losing time.

Autocross is a games of incremental gains and details.

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Obviously thought is no substitute for seat time, but I don't think you can really get good if you aren't trying to understand what's going on. It's not enough to just wait for the next event and try to go faster. You should be thinking about what you did wrong last time, why you did that, and how you can avoid it. Donít just think of one mod as better or faster than another - try to understand what it will do, how the car works now and how it might work after the change. Make changes with a plan.

Record your runs in-car if you can, and try to capture your inputs as well as the view of the course. Watch the video of your best and worst runs and pick apart what you did.
Thanks guys, @ckingsley this is exactly what I plan to do and is by far better than slapping on "go fast" parts, I agree with you 100%. I plan on doing a little traveling next weekend and go to Jacksonville for a Saturday and Sunday event. Its more seat time. and I WONT "forget" my camera this time. Last time i had my Fat Gecko camera mount but couldn't find the camera. It was in the back seat the whole time

@philrab - do you have any suggestions for a G logger and how much would one realistically cost?

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Real data logging equipment sold for motorsports is pretty expensive, but I know some people who get accelerometer data just by using their smart phone. I'm not sure what app, and obviously if it's just a raw acceleration trace it's pretty basic information. Real systems will use GPS to show you your position on course along with acceleration, which is awesome. I still just that a bare acceleration history is worth something though.

Personally, I think the biggest component is video. That will tell you the most for the lowest investment. Data is useful, but will help an already good driver start finding those extra tenths. It won't help a beginner nearly as much.
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@philrab - do you have any suggestions for a G logger and how much would one realistically cost?
Cost=performance. If you're not super competitive, spending hundreds or thousands on a data logger makes no sense. Spend $10 on Dynoliscious or a similar IOS app. When you're near top pack, then it'll cost a bit more to be more competitive.

An app to record and log G readings, if you can interpret the data, could prove useful, but its no substitute for a lot of seat time.

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Philrab is right. There is NO substitute for seat time. Get some experience behind the wheel first and AFTER you see improvements- purchase accessories that you feel may better assist you. Seeing folks becoming frustrated on race day because of "technical difficulties" is hilarious especially when they stood little chance to begin with. Don't be that guy. I'm a fan of watching tape myself
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Hey dsmith. Bluffton, SC huh? You're in a great location for serious autocrossing. SCR (South Carolina Region) is an awesome region, I race there occasionally. They have some serious talent there, and they are all accepting of questions too. Anyway speaking of video, you should run with SCR and record yourself and compare it with videos of those pro guys. Pick out the cars most similar to yours first (Fwd, street tires, stock-ish) and then watch the other guys' vids later. You're concentrating on "earliness" of turn-in, throttle pick up, braking point, hand speed, hand position, eye/head position, angle of attack to an element (racing line), how much tire squeal (and what kind), tightness to cones, steering input corrections. Other things like elbow angle (how far from steering wheel are they), seating angle, seating height, and leg position can be helpful to look for too.

Like everyone's said before, stick with the basics. Run the car as is for a while and accumulate seat time. Have a plan, pick out a discipline to work on each time out and try to perfect it...start with looking ahead. You will begin to naturally do those things you work on. Oh, and have fun!

To the topic, I found this helpful:
Link: http://www.houscca.com/solo/courses/...Design_4-1.pdf

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Highly recommend a camera in the car to look and learn after the fact.

Keep the cost down by concentrating on driving and technique rather than throwing parts/money at it. You can add parts at a later date.

Enjoy and have fun and be fast.

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Highly recommend a camera in the car to look and learn after the fact.

Keep the cost down by concentrating on driving and technique rather than throwing parts/money at it. You can add parts at a later date.

Enjoy and have fun and be fast.

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dooley noted. camera inside. check. lol

@clemsonmz3 - I plan on doing a little traviling for my autocrossing. Jax is a little closer to me than Florence or Columbia. but if i can get the time I'm all over it I'm trying to get some more wheel time under my belt before I get any more mods

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