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post #21 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-08-2003, 10:53 PM
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As much as I want one right now, I'm gonna wait a couple months so that way I can talk them down more than they would right now.

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As much as I want one right now, I'm gonna wait a couple months so that way I can talk them down more than they would right now.
I am going to do the same thing (probably buying in March), so I can get a better deal than MSRP or a couple hundred off, plus I want to wait until winter is winding down. Also I want to save at least $3000 so my monthly payment will be comfortably under $300USD/month.

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post #23 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-15-2003, 09:14 PM
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getting ready for the kill

even at invoice the dealers make a good profit, just take the time to read the site thats posted on this forum. i learned alot from it..im going to be brave, i have nothing to loose seeing im paying cash, im going for the mazda3s hatchback with the 1mc,1ab,1sp,1xtpackages and im starting at $16,250 and see where we go from their.what i got off of edmunds.com the invoice price is $18,789.
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I wouldn't pay more - honestly.

Wait till supplies are up and 3s are all over the lot (like the 6s now) and if you REALLY want to buy and are serious, make sure you tell your sales rep how much you want to pay from the start (ok start w/93% or so) and at 95% of MSRP, it's either time to sign or ask them to see their sales manager one last time and come back with the FINAL offer.

As long as you treat ppl well and are honest w/them, they will too.
Start with 93%, eh?... Wow... maybe I COULD afford the car?
Then again, do you really think dealers would want to make the sale at that price?? ... that seems kinda low? too close to invoice?...

cuz that's like 1000 CDN dollars off MSRP.

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post #24 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-19-2003, 10:08 PM
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even at invoice the dealers make a good profit, just take the time to read the site thats posted on this forum. i learned alot from it..im going to be brave, i have nothing to loose seeing im paying cash, im going for the mazda3s hatchback with the 1mc,1ab,1sp,1xtpackages and im starting at $16,250 and see where we go from their.what i got off of edmunds.com the invoice price is $18,789.
Dealers making profit at invoice? How does it work?
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their is whats called a holdback,
Factory Holdback
US auto makers pay dealers a "factory holdback" of 3% MSRP on every car sold. Mercedes pays 3%, Lexus is 2%, but Edmunds claims Lexus has no holdback. BMW, Japanese imports, etc., pay 2% quarterly to the dealership. It's called holdback, because the factory holds back money from the dealer until they sell the car. This is accounted for by charging the dealer for holdback on the invoice, paying them back when the car is sold. On a $30,000 car, the holdback is $900. This appears to you and me as though the dealer paid $900 more for the car than he did. This is done by the factory as a means to compensate dealers for interest on loans that they take out to buy the cars from the factory, and also to provide a little bit of profit to the dealer. The holdback is included in every invoice price. This is how dealers can sell you a car at invoice, because the factory refunds them the holdback once the car is sold. They can sell you a $30,000 car at invoice and have a $900 positive cash flow. Many people don't know holdback exists, including many car salesman, as this goes directly to the dealer, and it effectively reduces the dealer's cost of the car. Many dealers deny it exists, or tell the customer it's a dealer expense, and try to add it on to the contract make the customer "pay" for it. It's the factory's expense once the car is sold. Now the dealer is double collecting. If any dealer tries to itemize you separately for holdback, leave immediately, you'll surely be subject to many more unscrupulous tricks. Don't let a dealer tell you there's no holdback, it's the business plan that the whole industry is structured to. Denial is a popular trick used by dealers in Hawaii. But many good car dealers list holdback on their web sites. go to this site, it explaines alot...
http://www.carbuyingtips.com/car3.htm

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Is this factory holdback the same for Canada?

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Sooo... when can *I* get a Mazda 3?
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that i dont know, havent read anything saying it is or isnt.

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Two dealers I've talked with this week say Jan 2004 prices expected to go up (MSRP) by a couple hundred, like they did after the launch of the Mazda6. "Introductory Prices" on now, was their sales pitch. I gotta buy before January anyway.

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post #29 of 29 (permalink) Old 12-20-2003, 10:36 PM
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I've heard the same thing here.

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