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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-05-2012, 12:40 PM Thread Starter
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What's up everyone, I'm new to the forums and not quite yet a Mazda3 owner. This will be my second car, but the first I actually pay for and is under my name. Therefore I actually get to choose what I want to drive, and since reading a few reviews and digging into these forums, I'm hooked. Anyway, I'll get to the point. So I go in for a test drive at Royal Palm Mazda here in Palm Beach County. I read great reviews about them and it happened to be the closest. My dealer is excellent and gave me so much more information than I expected when just test driving with no intention to purchase that day.

Before going in that day I was completely focused on purchasing a brand new 2012 Mazda3i. However, instead of bringing me straight to the new car lot, he brought me to the used ones. I wasn't too excited about it but agreed to check them out anyway. I was shocked at the great value and low mileage, and not to mention the fact that the only used models he showed me were only used as loaner cars. The two I was most interested in were the silver (not too crazy about the color), 2012 w/ 4000 miles or so on it for a little over $18,000; also a gunmetal blue (love the color), 2011 w/ 11000 miles or so on it for a little over $16,000 (also doesn't have the Skyactiv). These two have been hard on my mind, but I also have the brand new baby in the back of my mind. Any thoughts on making my decision? Are those used cars as fairly priced as I think they are? Please and thank you.

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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-05-2012, 12:45 PM
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for that money how about a speed 3, are you going to delray mazda or lou bachrodt
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for that money how about a speed 3, are you going to delray mazda or lou bachrodt
Would the Speed raise my insurance? & no, Royal Palm Mazda, dealer's name is Steve Pearl.
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depends on your age, are you older? i'm not familiar with that saleman but I mostly use the parts department there
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depends on your age, are you older? i'm not familiar with that saleman but I mostly use the parts department there
I'm 20 so I'm guessing it'd bump it up. And even having a clean driving record and a decent GPA my insurance is still too damn high as it is. I think I'll stick with the 3 and be safe.

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You can find out from your insurance how your premiums will be affected before you buy. You just have to call and ask. I wish I bought a speed3 :/
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Also, you save so much buying used sometimes, but you can use that in your bargaining. Tell them you'll buy a new one if they can get a lot closer to the price of the used ones.

They could be trying to pull one over on you by making you pay full price on a used car, rather than give you a good deal on a new one. Given the economy, not many people are buying new cars, so you might be able to get an awesome deal.

If it was me, I'd go for the best deal depending on how much I had to spend. If they would bring a 23k new 2013 down to 19k and a 20k used down to 16k, well, I'd probably be happier spending 3k less for the whole shebang by buying the used car. That's me though. Are you financing? You can go out an extra night a month if your payment is 50 bucks lower a month. Or you could spend that money on a nice 7" in dash dvd player and a nice amp and sub(s) or something.

It's a difficult decision when you're spending thousands of dollars on something that should last you many many years. The best peace of advice I can give you is WALK AWAY. Walk away if you don't feel like you're getting a good enough deal, walk away if you have a funny feeling, walk away if you're just not sure, walk away and think about it for at least 4 hours after you have the "final offer." The car will still be there. Your emotions start going and neurotransmitters start flowing and you are just thinking about how awesome it will be to have a new car, you're not thinking as straight as you can. Distract yourself and think about it with a calm, clear mind.

Best of luck to you.
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Also, you save so much buying used sometimes, but you can use that in your bargaining. Tell them you'll buy a new one if they can get a lot closer to the price of the used ones.

They could be trying to pull one over on you by making you pay full price on a used car, rather than give you a good deal on a new one. Given the economy, not many people are buying new cars, so you might be able to get an awesome deal.

If it was me, I'd go for the best deal depending on how much I had to spend. If they would bring a 23k new 2013 down to 19k and a 20k used down to 16k, well, I'd probably be happier spending 3k less for the whole shebang by buying the used car. That's me though. Are you financing? You can go out an extra night a month if your payment is 50 bucks lower a month. Or you could spend that money on a nice 7" in dash dvd player and a nice amp and sub(s) or something.

It's a difficult decision when you're spending thousands of dollars on something that should last you many many years. The best peace of advice I can give you is WALK AWAY. Walk away if you don't feel like you're getting a good enough deal, walk away if you have a funny feeling, walk away if you're just not sure, walk away and think about it for at least 4 hours after you have the "final offer." The car will still be there. Your emotions start going and neurotransmitters start flowing and you are just thinking about how awesome it will be to have a new car, you're not thinking as straight as you can. Distract yourself and think about it with a calm, clear mind.

Best of luck to you.
Excellent advice, thank you. I'll certainly consider those things when I return to the dealership and press the dealer a bit harder (I'm not typically the best at haggling, too nice for my own good). But you're right, spending that kind of money should give me the urgency to make sure I get the absolute best package I can. Before that test drive I'd never been to a dealership alone to look at cars, and I wasn't quite prepared for the dealer's tactics. Just trying to get me in a car NOW, while giving the illusion that I'm getting exactly what I want when it may be rushed, they could care less. Again, thank you for your input.
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At 20, I'd probably stick with the blue 2011. You can still talk them down more than the $16K sticker price. Your maintenance costs will be less, insurance will be less, and you'd be less likely to speed and get a ticket, (making your insurance going up even more). You can still have plenty of fun in the Mazda 3.

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I'm 2 months away from finishing my MA in mental health counseling so I know about mood states and the mind all that jazz, anyways I'll share my experiences.

I think I was 23 the first time I bought a car on my own (well it was me and my faince, but my dad is the man at haggling and he wasnt there). They wouldn't come down a cent on her 2000 mustang (she would only buy a mustang), so we left. We actually went back about a month later and got them to take $750 off the $5k they wanted. It was a pretty good deal when all was said and done, but we had to wait that whole month. I'm not surprised nobody else bought it though with their attitude.

When I bought my Mazda 3i 2008 in Tampa it was advertised for $9,871 but after we sat down and did the paperwork it was like 11,7xx!!! I was like wtf thats $2k more. I understand that a lot of it is tax, but there was like a 500 dollar dealer fee and all this other crap. So I told them they would have to come down and this bitch saleswoman tried showing me these dumbshit little cars that were a little cheaper (i wish i remember what they were) which I said I didn't want and then they said they couldn't come down on the price. Also, she said "do you really think you're going to get a better deal anywhere else? the price is already really low" She even looked up the same car on autotrader or something and showed me how it was literally the lowest priced 2008 3 in the area (I verified it too later). I said: "I don't know, there's definitely a chance though, so I'm going to go look elsewhere, give me a call if you want to come down on the price though." THE NEXT DAY, early in the morning, I get a call from a different salesman who was in the room with us when we were talking about the price. He said "man, I'm sorry about how that went yesterday, if you're willing to, come back in and I can lower the price by a good amount. We ended up settling on $10,700 and a full tank of gas in the car.

As it stands today, the KBB private party fair (worst) value for my car is $6,407, good is $7,500. I still owe $6,239 on my loan. So I think I got a good deal. I can probably sell the car right now and not be upside down/owe more than what I got.

You didn't say if you were financing or not. If you are, try to get at least 2 offers from banks and see what the dealership has to offer.

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