Topic: 2.3L Engine Problems? (Read 8422 times)

neomonkey · « **on:** November 17, 2003, 04:35:05 PM »

Since it has been on the 6 for some time now, I was wondering if anyone knew of any problems. I've read that the engine sometimes comes on when revving. But the CEL is a popular problem with mazdas..

dinu01 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2003, 06:45:54 PM »

It's a gas cap issue - MUST tighten it till it clicks a few times. Was quite common when the 6 came out but I haven't read about it in the last few months.

schulkw · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2003, 07:05:46 PM »

3 clicks will prevent it from coming on.

6_funk · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:41:26 PM »

i'm sorry guys, i'm a newbie
what do you mean by: "3 clicks will prevent it from coming on"
what comes on???

Yuki · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:53:49 PM »

yea?? what ar u guys talking about??
i dont' get it

Merciles · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2003, 01:26:09 AM »

I believe they are talking about the indicator light for the mazda6 that came on for no reason. This was caused by not tightening the gas cap enough. When you tighten gas cap you hear clicks....so 3 clicks.

ATL · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2003, 01:38:25 AM »

Yep that happen to me. I went to the dealer and told them that my CEL was on. The tech went over and just tighten the gas cap until it click a couple of times. CEL went off 10min later.

Yuki · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2003, 01:48:39 AM »

oicic..
.only the gas cap?
any other problem?

schulkw · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2003, 03:19:14 AM »

The Check Engine Light comes on b/c it's very sensitive to everything little thing. How it knows you didn't click the gas cap three times, I don't know, but it does.

MZ6ZoomZoom · « **Reply #9 on:** November 18, 2003, 04:44:18 AM »

The only CEL I've ever experienced is from a cyl 6 misfire... but as you can tell from that, that's on the V6. The oxygen sensor CEL is indeed quite popular, due to the gas cap not being tight enough. While it is nothing bad, it is a bit obnoxious since the dealer must reset it. I've never heard of anything actually BAD happening with the engine though.

ATL · « **Reply #10 on:** November 18, 2003, 08:33:04 AM »

O yeah and ppl are having CEL from the latest CAI from Injen.

dinu01 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 18, 2003, 08:52:26 AM »

But stock-wise, the 6 is solid all around with no issues (except for "staining").

MARKPMM · « **Reply #12 on:** November 21, 2003, 09:08:26 PM »

Quote from: schulkw

The Check Engine Light comes on b/c it's very sensitive to everything little thing. How it knows you didn't click the gas cap three times, I don't know, but it does.

Do you want to know?
Why and how?

gruss · « **Reply #13 on:** November 21, 2003, 09:10:01 PM »

yes please tell us....pretty please!!!

MARKPMM · « **Reply #14 on:** November 21, 2003, 09:11:17 PM »

I find a new hobby and you follow me!!!

MARKPMM · « **Reply #15 on:** November 21, 2003, 09:11:51 PM »

Quote from: MARKPMM

I find a new hobby and you follow me!!!

post whore

It would take a while. And it really is an emission issue not a powerplant issue.

I don't see emissions listed.

gruss · « **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2003, 08:59:51 AM »

Follow you? Look at the joined dates homeboy...you're stalking me.

IF you actually get around to writing it up, have mz6zz sticky the cel thing, so when everyone and there brother asks why we can say REad the Freaking FAQ's and act all high and mighty

MARKPMM · « **Reply #17 on:** November 25, 2003, 02:07:55 AM »

Ok Gruss, Just for you and your little helper. I had one of those. I just walked her down the 50 yard line at Homecoming. Take lots of pics.

When the OBD II mandates hit the manufactures in the mid-ninties one of the monitored functions was to check the integrity of the "evaporative emission control system". The check is based on the theory that many cars where letting fuel evaporate due to loose or missing fuel caps, and the evaporating fuel was damaging the ozone layer.

Since 1994 most manufacturers have used the VBE or "vacuum based evap" check that requires the vehicle to be at normal operating temp and the car be in"cruise mode". This systems parameters caused a concern with the EPA. Some cars never get full warm up and some cars never get to "cruise mode". VBE used vacuum, which is a by-product of gasoline engines. After the vehicle parameters are met (if ever) the the PCM commands a valve to open and allow the fuel tank to evacuated. A sensor in the tank picks up the vacuum signal and the PCM sets an internal timer. When the PCM re-checks the sensor after a given amount of time and the vacuum is gone the system flags a loose gas cap code PO442/456 for a small leak or a PO455 for a large leak.

Coffee time...(this should count for like five posts)

Now for the latest and greatest.

Mazda has been tasked from the Ford family to pioneer the PBE or "Pressure Based Evap" system.The newest requirement is to monitor leaks smaller than .020 inch. The system is a self contained system first used on the 02 MPV but used on every Mz6. A Small(6"x6") module is mounted near the fuel tank of the vehicle. Each module contains a small pump and a COV(Change over valve). The COV is a three way valve. Position 1) is vented to atmosphere. Position 2) is a .020 orifice. Position 3)is to the fuel tank.

Every time the vehicle is turned off the PCM commands the pump to run. the PCM monitors the amperage in the curcuit and take this as a "base line" reading. The PCM them commands the COV to move to the .020 orifice position and the amperage in the system is evaluated and the two readings are stored. The COV is then commanded to send pressure to the fuel tank..the Pcm then times how long it takes to go from the "no load " reading to the "full load" reading (.020) and if the specified time is exceeded a code is set.

Wow. Lotsa tech here. I'm not making this up.

The system on the Mz6 had two problems initally. 1)If the owner was filling the vehicle with fuel and the test was running...PO455 large leak.
2) If the owner used the remote to lock the doors while the test was running, the door lock motors caused a drain on the battery and the time for the test never made the specified time.

The re-flash on the Mz6 tells the PCM to ignore failed test unless it is failed more than twice.

Thats all I got to say about that.

gruss · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:15:42 AM »

Ok now, who is my little helper? MZ6ZZ...Ha! Hey c'mon now zoomie get off your but and put this where it belongs!

MARKPMM · « **Reply #19 on:** November 25, 2003, 08:49:15 PM »

From the "carDomain" page silly.

MZ6ZoomZoom · « **Reply #20 on:** November 26, 2003, 12:43:30 AM »

Quote from: gruss

Ok now, who is my little helper? MZ6ZZ...Ha! Hey c'mon now zoomie get off your but and put this where it belongs!

Yes SIR

Edit:

Um, wait... this is where it belongs. What do you mean?

gruss · « **Reply #21 on:** November 26, 2003, 08:22:34 AM »

Yeah I actually figured that one out, you got me at first...but this damn board wont let you edit after 20 minutes so by the time I was done slutting up the rest of the baord I coul;dnt do it. Besides mz6zz reminds me a little of gilligan, I thought at first it was a reference to that

Put it in an FAQ or something...hell drag it over to m6club too...you know as soon as xmas is over ppl will start buying cars, its cold out so they'll leave them running while getting gas, get a cel and post yet another thread about it.

MARKPMM · « **Reply #22 on:** November 27, 2003, 01:32:38 AM »

Well Gruss at least you and your helper will be informed on the subject.

Ten years from now you can explain to her why her 2014 mazda's check engine light came on.

Thanks for the support.

Mark

gruss · « **Reply #23 on:** December 01, 2003, 02:06:44 PM »

Aint no way I'm buying a 12 yr old a car

Although the 2014 MY might be about right when its time for her to actually get one.
I"ll remember this thread and post a link everytime I see the cel ?
just for you!!!!!

Titanum-3 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 01, 2003, 07:37:40 PM »

I just got a cel on my Mazda 3 sport yesterday after 300km, still on its first tank of gas. I took it in to Mazda and they hooked it up to their computer and said I didn't let the car warm up long enough. Does anyone else have this problem? The cel came on again today after warming up the car for 5 minutes. The temperature was about 2 degrees outside today. The cel doesn’t go off either, they have to reset it. The service department said they will look in to it. What do you guys think?

gruss · « **Reply #25 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:09:38 PM »

Mark??? any theoriies?

dinu01 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:31:52 PM »

ALWAYS turn that gas cap until it clicks a few times - newer Mazdas are finicky this way. The 6 did it but not the PRO.

MARKPMM · « **Reply #27 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:47:34 PM »

Quote from: Titanum-3

I just got a cel on my Mazda 3 sport yesterday after 300km, still on its first tank of gas. I took it in to Mazda and they hooked it up to their computer and said I didn't let the car warm up long enough. Does anyone else have this problem? The cel came on again today after warming up the car for 5 minutes. The temperature was about 2 degrees outside today. The cel doesn’t go off either, they have to reset it. The service department said they will look in to it. What do you guys think?

Did you get a code from them?

I've never seen a code for what they discribe was the problem.

MARKPMM · « **Reply #28 on:** December 01, 2003, 08:53:02 PM »

Quote from: dinu01

ALWAYS turn that gas cap until it clicks a few times - newer Mazdas are finicky this way. The 6 did it but not the PRO.

Did you read this thread?

Just curious

dinu01 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 01, 2003, 09:01:04 PM »

I read it, but asking telling someone that the CEL came on b/c their car was cold seems like BS.

Never had that on any car we've had and it gets cold in the winter here.

I'll start with the gas cap, then move on from there. This is the most common reason for the CEL.

What do I think? It's a new car and their techs are clueless about it, that's what I think.

Don't wanna sound bitter, but this "your car was cold" smells like a pile of rotten horse.. Nevermind

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