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Author Topic: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?  (Read 5985 times)

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Here's the dilemma...I have an 04 M3s with constant (non-adjustable) intermitent wipers (of course, no rain sensor either :(). I'm thinking of retrofitting the adjustable intermitent wipers to my car by changing the wiper switch in the steering colum only...as far as I could see in the manual there are no other control systems except for the wiper switch itself...

Has anybody tries this before?
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 06:15:09 PM »
This is a great question.  The lack of variable intermittent is the thing that annoys me the most about my 3.  Although I do love about everything else. 

If just replacing the stalk will solve the problem, it may be worth it.
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2005, 02:02:50 AM »
It looks like...

the switch is $92 from one of our sponsors
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2005, 03:38:10 PM »
I was looking at trying to replace the stalk with one from a 6 so I could have the little adjustment wheel too, unfortunetely the stalks are incompatible between the two cars.  I was planning on waiting until the 06's were good and truely out and then trying with one of the 06 3 stalks since they have variable intermittant wipers.

I still had the same dilemma of not know if anything else had to be changed.  I mean is there just some sort of resistor in the stalk/plug portion that lets it go slower/faster?  Do you know any more technical info about this, and what part is the sponsor selling?
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2005, 05:43:52 PM »
I was looking at trying to replace the stalk with one from a 6 so I could have the little adjustment wheel too, unfortunetely the stalks are incompatible between the two cars.  I was planning on waiting until the 06's were good and truely out and then trying with one of the 06 3 stalks since they have variable intermittant wipers.

I still had the same dilemma of not know if anything else had to be changed.  I mean is there just some sort of resistor in the stalk/plug portion that lets it go slower/faster?  Do you know any more technical info about this, and what part is the sponsor selling?


This is the part (adjustable wiper switch): http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getLocator&siteid=214264&chapter=ARH5417&appSectionid=2561&groupid=51860&subgroupid=4352&componentid=7921&make=22&model=Mazda%203&year=2004&catalogid=2
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2005, 07:18:54 PM »
Hey just out of curiosity, is the intermittent setting the one that has multiple speed variations all on the first speed setting? And then 2 faster settings after that?
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2005, 09:56:53 PM »
Yep...exactly!
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2005, 10:00:20 PM »
Aw I really want that!
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2006, 01:45:34 PM »
Called the number on that sponsor link and talked to Jason.  He claimed that just installing the new control switch will not work.  He said it plugged in fine, and the wipers still worked on low and high setttings, but the intermittent wouldn't work.  He said that the "smart junction" box needed to be accessed and modified somehow, but he wasn't able to do it successfully.  He said he tried this for a customer on an '05 5-door and couldn't get it to work.  Anyone have any insight into this?  Could the "smart junction box" (whatever that is??) be modified by us?
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2006, 01:49:18 PM »
i too, would like an intermittant option on my car. I have the rain sensor, but it is horribly inconsistant. i want a normal intermittant that i can adjust with a wheel
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2006, 05:24:53 PM »
Called the number on that sponsor link and talked to Jason.  He claimed that just installing the new control switch will not work.  He said it plugged in fine, and the wipers still worked on low and high setttings, but the intermittent wouldn't work.  He said that the "smart junction" box needed to be accessed and modified somehow, but he wasn't able to do it successfully.  He said he tried this for a customer on an '05 5-door and couldn't get it to work.  Anyone have any insight into this?  Could the "smart junction box" (whatever that is??) be modified by us?

Okay so here's the deal.  I'm the person that went and saw Jason to try this out.  We knew from untouchable being a guinnea pig that simply replacing the stalk woulnd't work, so our plan was: Replace the wiper stalk with the OEM one including the intermittant switch, and have the service tech. plug into the "smart junction box" under the dash and turn on the VIW feature.  What we discovered is that the smart junction box present in '06 models (which have the VIW feature OEM) was not present in the previous models.  The module they used in '04-'05 only gives them the option to turn off the seatbelt chime, and a few other things, but not the greater number of programming options provided with the smart junction box.  Theoretically you could buy and install the computer components of the '06 in a previous model, but it would be prohibitively expensive.  This pretty much used up the OEM routes.

While we were investigating this method I started talking with billm who was in the process of developing his own VIW control.  He's done this with some previous cars so just had to tweak his earlier designs.  He's made two modules so far (one for him, and one for me) that we've been testing to fine tune the design a little bit.  The setup utilizes a separate knob and requires drilling a small hole for the knob and tapping three wires on the wiper harness (no wire cutting needed).  Plus everything can be returned to stock in less than 5 minutes, and costs less than the OEM wiper stalk. Once we have it all squared away and figure out anything we can think of to tweak I'm pretty sure he plans on making some more and selling them to those interested.  A walkthrough will of course be provided once he's ready with everything. 

Check the link in my sig and go to the last page for a description.

EDIT: de-confused previous post ;)

Blam, I don't know how different the auto wipers would be with this, but I'm betting it will work equally well with cars that have that as this method bypasses the existing control.
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 09:34:52 AM »
are autowipers rare in the states or something? i dont know anyone without them
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2006, 11:25:30 AM »
are autowipers rare in the states or something? i dont know anyone without them

auto wipers were first available in the US on the '05 sp23.  They're now available on the '06 Grand Touring.  Other than that all 3's in the US have manual wipers.
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2006, 08:49:04 PM »
I'll prob have the last tweak on it done in a week or so, and may have a small number of extra units built up. I think I have somebody who might be interested in assembling a few more, depending on the level of interest, but not as a production deal.
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2006, 01:20:19 AM »
I'd be interested.  I might even take a crack at building them if I saw a circuit diagram.  i'm guessing this isn't rocket science.  :)
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2006, 09:22:37 AM »
It's not rocket science once you get a working design you like.
To do that though took me about $300-$400 of experimentation, and several weeks of research.  :)
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2006, 10:08:43 AM »
It's not rocket science once you get a working design you like.
To do that though took me about $300-$400 of experimentation, and several hundred hours of research.  :)

That's why I'm glad you're around. :D :hug:
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2006, 12:33:48 PM »
OK, so if i followed this correctly then -

on my '06 withough intermittent wipers I can just replace the stalk with one that has the wheel and be set to go?
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2006, 12:39:17 PM »
OK, so if i followed this correctly then -

on my '06 withough intermittent wipers I can just replace the stalk with one that has the wheel and be set to go?

Oh, I guess the '06 "i" trims didn't get the variable intermittant wipers then?  You should have the smart junction box that the '05's don't have, so if you have a good relationship with your dealer see if they'll plug up to it for free to see if they can turn on the function for you.  You should be able to, but it would suck to pay for it and then find out they can't program it for you.  I suppose since it is an '06 then you might just be able to plug in the new stalk and have it work.  Check with untouchable, he might sell you the stalk he bought for a little cheaper than the dealer.  The OEM wiper stalk will cost you $92.  Personally I would've been happy to buy the stalk and pay a little for the programming just to have it OEM, but billm's method is working well enough for now. 8) 
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2006, 01:29:27 PM »
OK, so if i followed this correctly then -

on my '06 withough intermittent wipers I can just replace the stalk with one that has the wheel and be set to go?

Oh, I guess the '06 "i" trims didn't get the variable intermittant wipers then?  You should have the smart junction box that the '05's don't have, so if you have a good relationship with your dealer see if they'll plug up to it for free to see if they can turn on the function for you.  You should be able to, but it would suck to pay for it and then find out they can't program it for you.  I suppose since it is an '06 then you might just be able to plug in the new stalk and have it work.  Check with untouchable, he might sell you the stalk he bought for a little cheaper than the dealer.  The OEM wiper stalk will cost you $92.  Personally I would've been happy to buy the stalk and pay a little for the programming just to have it OEM, but billm's method is working well enough for now. 8) 

Yea, I got the base 'i' model i.ie no power anything, the i touring may have come with the intermittant wipers though.  I guess I will I will go to my dealer to see if they can turn on the function as well as remove the seat belt reminder noise sometime this week.  Thanks for the info!
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2006, 08:20:47 PM »
Yea, I got the base 'i' model i.ie no power anything, the i touring may have come with the intermittant wipers though.  I guess I will I will go to my dealer to see if they can turn on the function as well as remove the seat belt reminder noise sometime this week.  Thanks for the info!

They can definitely turn off the seat belt chime.  let us know how the rest goes.
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2006, 08:30:05 PM »
Variable intermittent wipers for the rest of us with 8 usable delay settings.

DISCLAIMER: this mod may void some or all of your warranty, like any other mod.

 It is designed to be removable in most cases. You are  responsible for any loss of warranty or any other issues if you install one. The design is not going to cause issues if properly installed, but that will not prevent voiding warranty if a dealer so chooses.

The VIW control acts like an electronic version of the existing switch on the stalk which grounds the intermittent signal wire (the white/green factory wire) periodically to cause one wipe of the wipers to occur.

This VIW control operates independently from the existing INT setting on the factory wiper control, and placing the factory wiper control on any setting except  OFF overrides the VIW control.

Three wires from the control module tap into three wires on the wiper stalk connector. There is a red wire for +12V, which taps into the power source for the windshield washer motor (green/orange factory wire), a black ground wire which taps into the ground wire on the wiper stalk connector (black wire), and a green control wire which taps into the intermittent signal wire ( white/green factory wire) to simulate momentarily turning the wiper control to the intermittent setting, and the back to the off setting, to cause the wipers to operate once.

Installation is straightforward, takes 30min to an hour, and doesn't require special tools. If you choose to do this, you should read all the way through the walkthrough prior to getting started, and you are responsible for any issues that arise.

The  parts: Controller module + control + wiring harness, 3 wire splice taps (green circles) in case
the spring clips don't give a good connection at the back of the  connector, fuse,   knob, 2 cable ties, and velcro strip for mounting.


 
begin by removing the upper steering column cover. It snaps into the lower section, so pull upward:



separate the flexible section that attaches to the upper cover to free the upper cover completely:



Some folks may find that it is easier to remove the flexible section first, and then separate the top section. Be careful not to damage any trim pieces by prying with anything sharp!

remove two screws from either side underneath bottom section of the cover:



pull down lower cover to expose the lower screw holding in the wiper stalk control.
Push in on the key release button so the cover clears it and remove wiper stalk by pulling it outward after removing the two gold screws:





Here's the back of the connector plugged into the wiper stalk. The green wire from the intermittent control
has been plugged into the connector at the slot for the white/green wire, behind the existing wire. The curved tip of the
pin at the end of the green wire faces the white/green factory wire. Before plugging it in *make sure* you have the factory white/green wire located. It is in the 4th slot down on this left side of the connector in this picture. There is a black/green wire below it, a black/red wire above it in slot 3. You may want to spread out the terminal at the end of the control module wires some (not too much) if necessary to  get good contact onto the existing factory wires, otherwise a splice using one of the green wire taps may be required later.



The black wire in the controller wiring harness plugs into the black wire at the top right corner of the connector. It is across from the yellow/black wire in this picture. Same procedure, slightly spread the terminal, then plug in with the short portion of the terminal against the back of the factory wire:



Finally, the red wire from the controller harness plugs in using the same procedure into the green/orange wire on the left side in this picture  in slot 2 just below the yellow/black wire:





DOUBLE CHECK ALL CONNECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THE PROPER CONNECTIONS WERE MADE.

At this point,  test to see whether good contact is being made by the three wires:

Raise the wiper arms away from the windshield until they stay out so the wipers don't dry-rub the windshield.
Let the control module hang down outside the steering column. Set the wiper stalk so it is not shorting against anything.
Rotate the control for the VIW all the way counterclockwise.

Turn the ignition key to the ON position. The red LED on the VIW control should be lit, and the green LED should be very DIM.
Within 3 sec, the green LED should light, the windshield wipers should wipe once, and then the green LED should go out.

If the red LED is not lit, then the control module is not getting power/ground from the red and black wires. Try moving the red and black wires slightly to get good
contact. If the red LED is lit, but the Green LED is not dimly lit then brightly lit, the green wire from the control module is not making good contact. You may have to push the wires further into the connector to get good contact, ,or pull them slightly out. At this point, you should have a working system. If not, then the control wires may have to be spliced into the wiring harness to the proper wires using the provided wire taps. Avoid this if at all possible, since removing the mod will be more difficult if you need to.

If things are working, shut off the ignition key first, then use the cable tie to tie the wiring together to the factory harness so that things don't come loose. Tighten the tie tightly. If things are not working, then one or more wires will may  to be spliced into the factory wires using the green wire taps. You will need to cut off the spring clip  from a  VIW control wire before using a wire tap. You should do this as a last resort, since reverting to factory wiring will be difficult or not possible. You want to have the flexibility to remove the mod in case any warranty work is needed on the car just to be safe.

To tap, place the open side of the wire tap over the proper factory wire. push the end of the proper VIW control wire until it is all the way into the other hole in the wire tap. Be sure to hold it all the way in while squeezing the green button on the wire tap completely flat with a pair of pliers.




Stick the velcro section into the lower section of the steering column cover between the two locator slots:



Then stick the VIW control module to the velcro to attach it to the inside of the lower cover:



Now reattach the wiper stalk to the steering column with the two gold screws that were removed, then reattach the lower portion of the steering column cover with the two screws that were removed from underneath.

Now we need to drill a hole for the actual control. I placed mine as shown, 11cm back from the  rear cover edge.
The center of the hole is 12mm up from the bottom edge. The hole should be 9/32". If you cannot find this, then a 5/16" hole will work, but smaller hole is better.





The advantage of the smaller hole is that I have a hole plug that fits pretty well if you want to return things to almost stock look :



At this point, just mount the control in the hole using the provided washer and nut, reattach the flexible portion of the upper cover to the  upper cover , and snap the upper cover into place.  Attach knob to the control.



To operate the control, turn it totally clockwise to shut off intermittent operation. To turn it on, turn all the way counter-clockwise.
This will be the fastest setting, and should operate the wipers every 2.3 sec or so (times are approximate due to component tolerances). The times are not linearly spaced, since finer granularity works better for me at the shorter times.

The following delays are approx, starting with the control fully counter-clockwise, and working clockwise:

2.2 sec
2.5 sec
3.2 sec
5 sec
7 sec
9.4 sec
12 sec
30 sec
-- - not used, very long delay
-- - not used, very long delay
off

I built a couple of extra units, but don’t plan to produce many of these. I have someone who may be interested in assembling a few more though.

 At least one other forum member has installed one and helped out greatly with the refinement and shakeout. Thanks Spots!  :D :D :D
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2006, 05:53:33 AM »
I absolutely love this mod and use it every time it's raining.  Install was a snap, and it works great.  Someone sticky this walkthrough. :D
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2006, 06:48:42 PM »
I called up the dealer to set up an appointment to turn off the seat belt reminder, and got turned down.  Something about liability, blah, blah, but anyhow I gotta stop in when I get a chance and see if they can do the VIW and maybe pressure em to do the seat belt noise too.
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2006, 08:50:38 AM »
I still have a couple of modules available. PM if interested.
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2006, 07:13:37 PM »
In case anyone out there is waiting and nervous to try this mod out.....

It took me 15 minutes to install, tops, and works like a champ.  A big ol'

THANKS :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

to BillM for the kit.

JimB
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2006, 07:34:27 PM »
JimB, you're the tops!! thanks for the thumbs up!!! :)
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2006, 12:06:04 PM »
JimB, you're the tops!! thanks for the thumbs up!!! :)

Hey!  What am I, chopped liver?  :?  :(  :lol: :chuckles: :rofl: :lmao: j/k billm.
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2006, 12:58:17 PM »
JimB, you're the tops!! thanks for the thumbs up!!! :)

Hey!  What am I, chopped liver?  :?  :(  :lol: :chuckles: :rofl: :lmao: j/k billm.
Spots, you're the top dog of course :D :D :D :D

It takes some b**ls to try out a new mod sight unseen..  Hope it is meeting expectations!
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Re: Has anybody retrofitted the Adjustable wipers switch to an '04 3s?
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2006, 01:52:50 PM »
JimB, you're the tops!! thanks for the thumbs up!!! :)

Hey!  What am I, chopped liver?  :?  :(  :lol: :chuckles: :rofl: :lmao: j/k billm.
Spots, you're the top dog of course :D :D :D :D

It takes some b**ls to try out a new mod sight unseen..  Hope it is meeting expectations!

what do mods have to do with bowls? ;)

It's still working flawlessly.  Well, since we fixed the flaws. :D
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