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SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel *POST BREAK-IN* Impressions
« on: September 01, 2005, 09:51:51 PM »
OK, first off, my stock clutch acted like junk so early into its life. 30k miles and it felt like it was slipping badly. So I thought I'd order a new clutch, and while I was at it, I might as well get a new flywheel too!

I installed a Stage 1 SPEC clutch (www.specclutch.com), and an EXEDY Racing Flywheel (www.prostreetonline.com). I have to say, that I really like the setup so far, although I haven't been able to push it to the limits yet. The break-in period is 450 miles according to SPEC, and during the break in period, you're not allowed to do full throttle engagements, race starts, etc. Basically baby the clutch. That's what I'm doing.

With the stock clutch equipped, I'm sure you guys have noticed the slight resistance when pushing down the clutch pedal. With this Stage 1 Clutch, the resistance is cut in half. I was surprised at how little effort was needed to disengage the clutch. I went into the car and stepped on the pedal, thinking not much resistance was removed/added. I was wrong when my foot went right to the floor with that mentality (lol).

Being as light as it is, it was really odd getting used to the engagement point of the clutch. There was lots of guesswork, but this clutch was EXTREMELY forgiving. Even as I over-revved and tried to adjust to the new engagement point, the clutch was very smooth. Only the TINIEST bit of chatter when your revs were too low, and if you were too high, the clutch handled it as smooth as butter.

Now the EXEDY flywheel was a definite improvement. It wasn't very drastic, and doesn't rev like a mofo as i had hoped, because it's only 5 lbs lighter than stock (12lbs vs. 17 lbs). Still, 5 pounds is a lot of centrifugal force taken from the flywheel when spinning. Meaning that the car can rev slightly quicker with smaller effort, reducing gas mileage (i would think)

I don't have any long term impressions on the clutch or flywheel as of yet; since I'm still in that break-in period, I don't want to overdo things and push the car to the max for now. When I hit 450 miles (I'm at like 25 miles as of this writing), I'll take it for a good drive and post my later impressions.

Personally, I would recommend this mod to everyone. EXEDY's flywheel for this car is good, in the sense that it takes heat abuse better than the 9 pound aluminum flywheels. Sure it's a little heavy, and doesn't rev as quick as you'd probably like, but it has its advantages. However, the aluminum flywheels that are out (SR motorsports and Fidanza i think) are twin plate flywheels, so that if one plate dies, you can have it replaced for cheaper than the EXEDY. the EXEDY is a one-piece chromoly, so if it dies, you have to spend 350 on the flywheel. AGAIN.

But yeah, you'll notice the difference once you drive with this mod. If nothing else convinces you about this mod (quick revving, better holding power), then maybe consider getting this if a turbo/supercharger is in your car's future.

POST BREAK-IN IMPRESSIONS: I hit the magic 450 this morning. Later in the day, after some additional break-in (just in case), I took the car for a run as crazy as the day I first got my Umnitza SRI. First off, for the sake of your passengers' comfort, do NOT do full throttle engagements (at least not immediately, I'll explain in a sec). On the stock clutch, I found out I was able to run through all 5 gears rather quickly on a 45mph zone by either being off the gas (when braking/shifting) or completely on the gas (engagement/speeding up). With the Stage 1 clutch, this isn't the case. If you still wanna do full throttle engagements, you're gonna have to stay on the clutch for a little bit longer so that the revs drop to the required RPMs. If you don't, youre gonna get a HUGE buck from the car (as opposed to the stock clutch's several spurts of light chatter). If you're alone, and don't care about comfort, then by all means go for it. That's what I did when I took the car for it's big run.

The clutch + flywheel combo is most noticable in the upper RPM range. As I mentioned before, the lighter flywheel made it a B!TCH to take off on an incline. However, once your car gets going, especially above 4k RPM, the car will FLY. The burst of power comes out of nowhere, and at the same time, you can feel how stable the clutch is, regardless of how much you're punishing the car. It's really a a good feeling, almost scary I'd say. But unless you're a super rich person, I'd avoid straining the engine that much on a performance clutch. Sure it'll hold power and torque much better, but it'll also greatly decrease the life of your clutch. That's only from what I've heard though, many say that a stock clutch (while having weaker clamping force) can last much longer (up to at least 100k miles). I don't know what the hell happened to my first clutch, but I don't want that to happen to this new clutch.

UPDATE: Instead of posting numerous posts about my nightly break-in updates, I'll just add to this initial post to help keep things small and clean.

Day 1 - 60 miles driven today. I have to baby the clutch (no full throttle engagements, high revving, etc.) through the whole 450 miles to ensure a properly working clutch. The clutch only requires half the pedal effort of stock, and engages much smoother than stock as well. However, if you let it slip, the burning smell comes MUCH faster.

Day 2 - 160 miles driven today, which brings me up to 220 miles total so far. Even with quicker revving, rev matching is not a problem. But launching on a hill sucks badly because the reduced inertia on the lighter flywheel tends to nearly stall the engine. It's very hard not to burn the clutch with this flywheel when starting on a hill. Otherwise, there's less chatter, smoother engagement, and have long since adjusted to the lessened resistance in the pedal.

Day 3 - 40 miles driven today (much less than I thought I would drive), bringing me up to 260 miles. The clutch burns very easily if slipped (probably because of the lighter fly), I hope this doesn't greatly hurt my clutch life in the long run. However, I should note that the improved throttle response is noticeable, even when cruising at speed limit. How should I say it, it's more peppy now. Yeah, there you go.

Day 4 - 20 miles driven today, bringing me up to 280 miles. Again, not much time on the road tonight. Taking off in first gear on a flat/downgrade has gotten much easier and smoother as well. After some less-than-half-throttle engagement on the freeway, I was able to take 4th gear up to 4000 rpm and not notice any lack of power or anything. You just get this strong feeling the clutch won't let go of the flywheel. Hoping that driving to school and other things will bring me up to that magic 450.

Day 5 - After driving like 80 miles, I now stand at 360 miles. Meaning 90 more miles until I hit 450. Nothing really new, aside from the fact that a CEL came on. I am really starting to think this is a problem with the PSV (purge solenoid valve), as the symptoms of a faulty valve match the problems I've had in the past (violent bucking when taking off, big throttle lag at random times). I need to find a dealer that will replace this for me, as they my local dealer says that the only two recalls on my car (O2 sensor and crash zone sensor) have already been done, and they aren't too friendly dealing with TSBs...

Day 6 - 450 miles has arrived  8)
 
Here are some pictures of the clutch, flywheel, and stock fly as well.
SPEC Stage 1 Clutch Cover (frontside)


SPEC Stage 1 Clutch Cover (backside)


SPEC Stage 1 Clutch Disc


EXEDY Racing Flywheel


Stock Flywheel
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2005, 12:00:44 AM »
If anybody's interested, I put up two videos - a full range rev with the stock flywheel on, then another rev with the EXEDY on.


Stock Flywheel Rev

EXEDY Flywheel Rev

Quality's not all that great, but you can hear/see the difference.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2005, 01:05:48 AM »
congarts on getting it in, sorry it does not rev as fast as mine but you did notice a different speed and feel huh? good review to.

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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2005, 01:16:25 AM »
Haha thanks man. Do you know how afraid I was that the whole install would screw up? Like I'd be missing some other bearing or something? it was in the shop for 5 hours, and when they called me, I thought they were gonna say "something's missing". But then they said "your car's ready".

I'd say I'm pretty satisfied with the flywheel though. Although it's not as fast as you SR motorsports/Fidanza guys, the EXEDY certainly isn't bad. Rev's really rise/drop quicker. I can't wait to put this thing to the test after break-in....

woo!! now i hope this clutch doesn't give out on me like my last one. The stock clutch held up until 30k miles. I expect to replace this when i hit at least 70k on the odometer lol.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2005, 01:29:14 AM »
glad it is working out for you.. keep us updated.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2005, 10:33:26 AM »
I'll keep you guys updated don't worry :)

I think I'll post impressions on a nightly basis until 100 miles after break in is over. That way we can see how break-in affects the clutch performance + how it drives hard after break-in.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2005, 11:11:56 AM »
very nice. Maybe I will consider an exedy flywheel when I need my first clutch job...though probably going with a stock clutch. I am really not planning on making much power at all.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2005, 12:22:55 PM »
Azazel, if you are going to replace the clutch you might as well put a better one in there. just my opinion but i thnk a lot of people will agree with me.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2005, 12:53:37 PM »
I am mostly thinking along the lines that a stock one is cheaper, and no chances of crank walk caused by the excessive clamping pressures.

Basically my goals for the car are the simota intake (now on, and finally working), and some decent 15 or 16" rims with sticky tires...that is it. I want this to be pretty darned close to OE ride and comfort. Who knows, might not touch a thing in the driveline.

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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2005, 01:04:55 PM »
Thanks for the write-up.  I think this would be on my to do list if I was headed for some FI, but for now I'll hold off......or will I??.......

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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2005, 01:41:52 PM »
I really think this mod is worth the money + labor, if you can afford it. It saves some extra stress on your engine, and you get a little more out of it because of the lighter flywheel. Although I would also tell you guys to go with the Fidanza if you're not worried about your flywheel giving out under high temps.

I'm not dissing EXEDY or anything, I'm just saying the Fidanza is lighter, so those who want quicker revs at the expense of possibly easy flywheel damage, go for it! I honestly would've waited for it if my clutch wasn't acting like such an @$$. Fidanza, EXEDY, SR Motorsports, these all seem to be good flywheels over stock.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2005, 03:14:44 PM »
Where did you get the install and how much was it? Just wondering whether to do it myself (i laughed when i said that cus i am sure i would mess it up) or get it put in proffesionally.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2005, 03:19:14 PM »
I got my clutch job done at a local Mercedez Benz specialty shop (Vallejo, California,  in the SF bay area). It took 5 hours, and cost like 450 bucks for labor. Personally I don't think it should be done by yourself if you have no experience with the transmission whatsoever. Trust me, I've heard stories of people installing their clutch over the course of like 12 hours. I think it's better to get it done at a shop professionally, as they have all the cool power tools and stuff that make life so much easier  :)
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2005, 01:34:32 AM »
OK this post is kinda late into the night, but I put on approximately 60 miles of driving so far. I still can't do full throttle engagements since I'm still in the break-in period. Which brings up a few concerns. First, the car is hard to get going on a hill. I'm assuming it's because the lighter flywheel's reduced inertia makes it harder to keep engine power to the wheels on a hill.

Second, if i let the clutch slip just a bit, you get this ugly burning smell from the clutch. I'd like to think that all this is just part of the break-in process, and will eventually go away. Otherwise, it's OK to say that a light flywheel is a b!tch to launch off any kind of incline.

But for the most part, there's smooth engagement. Ocassionally there's a bit of chatter, but that's mostly my fault in not being able to adjust to the slightly quicker revving.

There's 60 miles out of 450 done so far. 390 more miles to go!! I'll update tomorrow again.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2005, 02:21:58 AM »
OK this post is kinda late into the night, but I put on approximately 60 miles of driving so far. I still can't do full throttle engagements since I'm still in the break-in period. Which brings up a few concerns. First, the car is hard to get going on a hill. I'm assuming it's because the lighter flywheel's reduced inertia makes it harder to keep engine power to the wheels on a hill.

Second, if i let the clutch slip just a bit, you get this ugly burning smell from the clutch. I'd like to think that all this is just part of the break-in process, and will eventually go away. Otherwise, it's OK to say that a light flywheel is a b!tch to launch off any kind of incline.

But for the most part, there's smooth engagement. Ocassionally there's a bit of chatter, but that's mostly my fault in not being able to adjust to the slightly quicker revving.

There's 60 miles out of 450 done so far. 390 more miles to go!! I'll update tomorrow again.

hope you put some highway miles on it or this is gunna be a tough 390.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2005, 12:10:34 PM »
Oh man dude, you don't know how badly i wanna finish breaking this in already. There have already been times that I accidentally did some full throttle engagements on accident, just because it's my natural way of driving. I think I'm going out of town a bit today, so I hope I put on another 60 miles or so. Seriously, I wanna hit 450 during this holiday weekend lol.

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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2005, 01:39:47 AM »
keisukeMamoru86  -- did you replace the throw out bearing and other thing (?) like a few people on the boards have mentioned doing? just curious
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2005, 02:42:05 AM »
Also, you say that the Fidanza is more likely to fail. What conditions would need to be present in order for it to fail as opposed to the Exedy?
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2005, 04:01:38 AM »
I did not see any mention of rev-matching.  Notice any difference in the lag of single-clutch our double-clutch rev-matching?
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2005, 12:01:12 PM »
OK sorry guys, I was out getting drunk last night, so I didn't have a chance to post up replies to your questions. It's been 6 hours since then, so I think I'm sober enough to post LOL.

mario8402 - Yes I think it's mandatory to replace the pilot bearing (5 bucks or so) and the release fork (like 120 bucks and includes the release bearing). As for the Fidanza being more likely to fail, that's just a matter of how you drive it. The Fidanza is made of aluminum, so it heats much faster, and heat will wear down pretty much anything fast. The exedy is like  3 pounds lighter, but it's made of stronger billet steel material. But I really think it depends on how you drive; people have had Fidanza's on other cars last several years.

thebeansoldier - Rev matching wasn't too bad of a problem with the EXEDY. Heel-toe downshifting is actually a little easier with this once you get used to it. The revs rise quicker, so there's less time stepping on the clutch and more time mashing the gas. Although I still can't do full throttle engagements yet :(

OK As for last night's update, I'm almost at 200 miles. I don't remember the exact number, but I'm moving through the odometer faster than I thought I would. As I mentioned, rev matching with the lighter flywheel isn't so much of a problem after you get used to it (about 30 minutes or less), but taking off on a hill is a B!TCH because of the decreased inertia. That's one point where I feel sorry for the Fidanza buyers (although I would've wanted the lighter weight too) Otherwise, the car is getting better and better to drive. Less chatter in general, but the clutch has a tendency to burn with the EXEDY flywheel when starting on a hill; depending on the steepness of the hill, you may be accidentally forced into revving up to 3500 to get going.

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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2005, 12:06:29 AM »
OK Now I'm almost at 300 miles. The increased throttle response is noticable, even when just casually cruising. The only problem I have with the setup, again, is the tendency for the clutch to VERY EASILY burn if the clutch slips a little. I noticed it today when I got stuck on a hill in bad traffic. It was hard to take off decently, and in the end there was an ugly burning smell coming from the car for 2 minutes. Now I'm just being pessimistic, but I hope that this clutch burning during the break-in period won't greatly affect my long term clutch life. I think I can hit 450 miles by tomorrow night. Then maybe I can give the new setup a good run-through. More tomorrow
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2005, 04:28:15 AM »
The only problem I have with the setup, again, is the tendency for the clutch to VERY EASILY burn if the clutch slips a little. I noticed it today when I got stuck on a hill in bad traffic.

I hope this is just from the burn in period.  Cause backing up and moving from a stop will suck if I have to treat the clutch like an egg all the time.  Glad there's less time for the clutch to be pressed in during a rev-match.

One thing I noticed watching the reving video was that your check engine light's on for the 2nd vid.  Any idea why?
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2005, 12:36:23 PM »
The check engine light was a odd incident. Actually I don't know what happened, but I thought it was from running to rich or lean. But then when I had the old flywheel/clutch, the car would buck violently at random times when the light was on. Which sort of led me to believe it was time to replace the clutch because it was slipping a lot anyway. I guess I was right to an extent, because when I looked at the old clutch, the thing looked like it got fried. Now I have no more bucking, and no CEL since then.

As for babying the clutch, yeah it's a pain sometimes. I'm trying to find the best way to get a good start without slipping the clutch much. I only tried this once last night, but it seems that dropping the clutch in 1st wile revving to 1500 worked nicely. I'll try it again today. Just watch the hills, they're more of a pain than they were before.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2005, 06:56:51 PM »
Quick question to all regarding clutch pedal effort. I was thinking about this earlier: if the aftermarket clutch offers 30% more holding power than stock, wouldn't the effort required to press the clutch pedal also be harder to push? Or is there some separate factor? Because the Stage 1 clutch seems to only require half the pedal effort of stock.
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Re: Impressions of SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2005, 12:25:51 AM »
Just updated so that my day-by-day impressions are now in the first post. Just to make things easy to find.
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Re: SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel Impressions *UPDATED w/ PICS*
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2005, 11:14:59 AM »
Just updated with pics in first post if anyone's interested  :klavergreg:
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Re: SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel *POST BREAK-IN* Impressions
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2005, 09:55:57 PM »
The clutch is now broken in. This is the last bump to the top, so everyone can at least read the post-break in impressions. Hopefully this writeup helps someone!
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Re: SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel *POST BREAK-IN* Impressions
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2005, 12:31:27 AM »
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Quick question to all regarding clutch pedal effort. I was thinking about this earlier: if the aftermarket clutch offers 30% more holding power than stock, wouldn't the effort required to press the clutch pedal also be harder to push? Or is there some separate factor? Because the Stage 1 clutch seems to only require half the pedal effort of stock.
I'm no expert, but from what I've read about clutches, I think the design and material of the clutch is a factor.
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Re: SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel *POST BREAK-IN* Impressions
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2005, 10:40:08 AM »
It probably is. I'm not clutch expert as well either. But spydr_kuztumz suggests it's the stems of the rubber hoses expanding with that soft spongy feel. I trust him on that one, as I have no knowledge really in the clutch department. But I don't know if it's just me, but the clutch seems to have reverted to it's old pedal effort. Either that, or I've gotten used to it already.
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Re: SPEC Clutch + EXEDY Flywheel *POST BREAK-IN* Impressions
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2005, 11:34:13 PM »
Keisuke,

We sold one of these clutches to a customer, and I was not aware that the clutch did NOT come with the throwout bearing and alignment tool. Most SPEC clutches do come with those two items. So, did you buy the fork/throwout bearing and the alignment tool from the Mazda dealership?  $100+ bucks is alot of money to spend on a throwout bearing, especially when a customer didnt expect to have to spend any additional money.

I wonder why the Mazda3 throwout bearings are a part that cannot be supplied by clutch companies?  Anyone know the answer to that? I plan on asking SPEC on MOnday....

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