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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2008, 11:15:43 PM »
Here are the links to the hitch and electrical kit I used.

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http://www.etrailer.com/pc-H~60999.htm?vehicleid=20075598

Here is the electrical kit
http://www.etrailer.com/pc-ELEE~118176KIT.htm

The wiring was the hardest part of the install and it wasn't too bad. It comes with an inline fuse that connects to the battery with a ring lug. You run that wire all the way to the back. It took me awhile to feed the wire through the firewall but it wasn't too bad. I mounted the isolator in the driver side trunk. You just use the vampire clips to tap into the running, brake, and turn signals. I pulled out one of the plugs and fed the 4 pin connector down through it. Its taped up right now but I plan on sealing it permanently at some point. I just tie strapped the connector to the back of the hitch and you can't see it at all. It works great.


It took me 6 hours to install my new hitch and the electrical harness that you suggested Toso.
It was a nightmare to install the hitch. The sides of the hitch holes did not match the one of the frame. It maybe different for the 2008 Mazda frame.
So I had to drill from scratch. Of course, that's when I found out my bits were dull. Had to go out and get some Titanium bits. Then on it worked fine. A little hint for anyone new at drilling into metal. What ever size hole you gone make, start with the smallest bit you have, then increase one size at a time until you reach the size you want. If you only drill the size you need, you will spend hours and many drill bits of that size before getting your hole done.

The electrical was fun. I was able to run the wire that goes from the back of the car to the battery underneath the car.
On the left side of the car, below the break light housing, there is a panel that goes directly outside the car. From there, I lifted the car, and ran the wire all the way to the battery. There are many areas underneath the car that helped run the wire.





My hitch install actually went pretty smoothly.  except my battery drill ran out of juice and kept locking up.. not enough torque.  A plug in power drill solved the problem.  The little wires with that screw into the bolts that pull them through the frame were a huge help.  took me about 1.5 hours to get it on.  The hidden hitch i got, the ends were a bit bent in from shipping i assume, but they pulled themselves out and tight when i started torquing the bolts.

The power was fairly easy, and i ran it inside the car through the hole i used for my boost gauge.  then hid it under panels all the way to the back end.  I thought i made a mistake when i was wiring up the tail lights, as the instructions i had said to tap the wires in the reverse that i decided to tap them.  I went with my gut feeling and everything works.  I mounted the powered assembly in the rear left access panel near the emergency jack.  Imagine my luck, there is already an un-used pre-tapped hole there perfect for the ground wire.  And imagine my luck, i had a spare bolt laying around that was just the right pitch.  the wiring is not perfectly clean yet, i just tidy'd it up with zip ties, but soon as i get to autozone i will be picking up some wire loom to make it oem.

I did find that the hitch rattles a LOT in its receiver.  I picked up a "stop rattle" device that basically shims up the hitch to eliminate most of it.  Haven't tested it yet, so TBD.

Oh i did burn out my drill bit though, but it was already worked over from a previous drilling excursion.  Picked up a 5 dollar titanium bit for metal, and it tore through no problemo.

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2008, 12:29:02 AM »
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2008, 12:36:56 PM »
That sucks about the holes not meeting up. Mine were right on. Just had to open them up. I was worried about fishing the bolts and plates through but I didn't have any problems at all with that. The only issue I had was that the hitch was a little short and the flanges on the sides weren't flush with the bumper. Shimmed it and torqued it up fine.

The electrical took more time for me. I ran it through the inside of the car. I made a mistake and ended up routing the wire on the passenger side. It all worked out though.

I have a little bit of clunck from the drawbar but its not too bad. Also, remember to lube everything up a little. It'll cut down on noise a bit.

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2008, 02:22:35 PM »
Yea, the fishing wire worked wonders. I don't know who came up with it, but it worked perfectly. Well, until I removed the fishing wire and pushed one of the bolt back into its hole. I tryed to pull it out from the frame with my hands, with claws, pushing it in all directions with different sizes screw driver. until I used a small but powerful magnet, and 45 minutes waisted.

Do you think those 4 bolts will hold OK or should I add "U" clamps to hold the hitch to the frame?
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #64 on: March 21, 2008, 02:40:08 PM »
Yea, the fishing wire worked wonders. I don't know who came up with it, but it worked perfectly. Well, until I removed the fishing wire and pushed one of the bolt back into its hole. I tryed to pull it out from the frame with my hands, with claws, pushing it in all directions with different sizes screw driver. until I used a small but powerful magnet, and 45 minutes waisted.

Do you think those 4 bolts will hold OK or should I add "U" clamps to hold the hitch to the frame?

When I got down and looked at how the bolts were fed through I was pretty nervous. The fish wire was way easier than it normally is.

I wouldn't worry too much about the 4 bolts holding up. I thought about welding but thought more about it and I don't think there will be any problems.

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #65 on: March 21, 2008, 03:37:19 PM »
Toso, on your trailer set up, it seams that your bike is quite forward on your trailer. Is that why your bolt mount is that high? to back up the center of gravity?
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #66 on: March 21, 2008, 04:10:07 PM »
Toso, on your trailer set up, it seams that your bike is quite forward on your trailer. Is that why your bolt mount is that high? to back up the center of gravity?

That picture makes my setup look a bit strange. The bike is pretty far forward but the picture makes it look more forward than it is. The trailer I use has a wheel chock built into it so I can't change the position even if I wanted to. It actually balances better than you'd think. The trailer needs the top of the ball to be about 21" off the ground. I'm using the largest rise I could find for that hitch. I still need about 1 more inch. I may buy a ball with a longer shank and use spacers to get that inch. So far it hasn't been a problem.

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #67 on: March 21, 2008, 09:24:06 PM »
It still look like a very nice set up Toso.

I have done some research for those who are still afraid about towing with the MZ3.

The Civic         can pull 1000lb with a 1.8L
The Corolla       can pull 1500lb with a 1.8L
The Vibe/Matrix can pull 1500lb with a 1.8L
The Mazda 3     can pull from 1200Lb to 3700lb depending on engine and if the trailer got breaks.

Look at this :
https://fr.mazda.be/NR/rdonlyres/7A7534C5-6194-4B60-A523-89CDAAA8A458/0/Mazda3_Brochure.pdf
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The gas engine 1.3L, 1.6L and 2.0L can pull 550Kg = 1200Lb (with non break trailer)
The diesel engine 1.6L and 2.0L can pull 600Kg = 1300Lb (with non break trailer)

Trailer with breaks up to an 8% grade from 1200Kg to 1700Kg = 2600Lb to 3700Lb (depending on engine)
Trailer with breaks up to a 12% grade from 900Kg to 1500Kg = 2000Lb to 3300Lb (depending on engine)

The roof rack can hold 75Kg = 165Lb

All this means, for most of our purposes, with the 2.0L or the 2.3L, we can safely pull up to 1300Lb and more if the trailer has breaks.
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2008, 09:41:08 PM »
This one is from Australia :

http://carshowroom.autotrader.com.au/forge/data_entry?tp=Prod&category=vehicle+specifications&temp_type=detail&style_id=752267920070815
     (under "specifications")

"Dimensions     

    * Weights: curb weight (kg): 1,425, curb weight (lbs): 3,142, gross trailer weight braked (kg): 900, gross trailer weight braked (lbs): 1,984, gross trailer weight unbraked (kg): 550 and gross trailer weight unbraked (lbs): 1,213"

Again, they say we can pull up to 1213Lb with an unbraked trailer.
So the issue is not the pulling part, nor the frame part, but can we stop it....
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2008, 09:56:50 PM »
This one is from Australia :

http://carshowroom.autotrader.com.au/forge/data_entry?tp=Prod&category=vehicle+specifications&temp_type=detail&style_id=752267920070815
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    * Weights: curb weight (kg): 1,425, curb weight (lbs): 3,142, gross trailer weight braked (kg): 900, gross trailer weight braked (lbs): 1,984, gross trailer weight unbraked (kg): 550 and gross trailer weight unbraked (lbs): 1,213"

Again, they say we can pull up to 1213Lb with an unbraked trailer.
So the issue is not the pulling part, nor the frame part, but can we stop it....


I believe the issue is actually with the turbo as opposed to braking or the frame

for one, you know this is an MS3 thread, right? I noticed your sig says 2.0 mz3

With the turbo, I notice higher spikes with more load, so I believe thats the reason the ms3 is not rated for towing. The frame is stiffer with the ms3 and the brakes are upgraded as well. I think mazda is just concerned with the extra load on the turbo. Also, mazda probably looks at us a stupid lawsuit-happy Americans :).  With that said, if you're easy on the throttle and watch your boost, I think you'll be ok

disclaimer - just a theory on my part, I don't know for sure if its the reason and I haven't towed anything with my ms3, but I have been considering a trailer in the event of a cross country trip for extra space
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2008, 11:07:05 AM »
for one, you know this is an MS3 thread, right? I noticed your sig says 2.0 mz3

Hoops, I am out of here.
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2008, 11:25:26 AM »
the way i see it, if you keep your trailer weight under the total weight of 4 passengers in the car you will have no problems.  lets say you have 4 people in your car and total weight is like 550-600lbs.  if you are pulling that much weight you are going to be fine.  as far as pulling 1500lbs, i dont think i would try that on this hitch :)

i need to find a cheap receiver style bike rack for the longer trips.

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2008, 01:18:02 AM »
the way i see it, if you keep your trailer weight under the total weight of 4 passengers in the car you will have no problems.  lets say you have 4 people in your car and total weight is like 550-600lbs.  if you are pulling that much weight you are going to be fine.  as far as pulling 1500lbs, i dont think i would try that on this hitch :)

i need to find a cheap receiver style bike rack for the longer trips.

only trouble is that a pulling a load is not the same as hauling a load. You have to account for the additional drag with a trailer
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2008, 08:30:31 AM »
the way i see it, if you keep your trailer weight under the total weight of 4 passengers in the car you will have no problems.  lets say you have 4 people in your car and total weight is like 550-600lbs.  if you are pulling that much weight you are going to be fine.  as far as pulling 1500lbs, i dont think i would try that on this hitch :)

i need to find a cheap receiver style bike rack for the longer trips.

only trouble is that a pulling a load is not the same as hauling a load. You have to account for the additional drag with a trailer

true, but seeing as i can lift and pull my trailer down the street with only my index finger fully loaded ... :)  you get the idea.  i would say i am about .25 horsepower lol

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #74 on: April 06, 2008, 02:17:17 AM »
CRAP I just bought a trailer today with 8 inch tires, should I go return it to get the 12 inch tires?  its only 50 bucks more..

Man I knew there would be a downside to the smaller tires.. I just felt that since i'm only towing a bike it would'nt matter..

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #75 on: April 06, 2008, 09:34:46 AM »
It is one case when bigger is better. Go with the larger tires.
I had a trailer once with smaller tires. I forgot to check on the bearings. Of course, being smaller tires, higher RPM, so the bearings heated up. Finally it seized and the tire blew up. No big deal, I only had 2 light dirt bikes on the trailer. I slowly pulled over.
My luck, the place I stopped was about 1 mile away from a High Security prison in Canon City, CO.
You could see the prison from the road. Just wild flat country between the road and the prison.
Not 2 minutes has past, when 3 cop cars stopped where we were to ask us for ID and why we were there with dirt bikes?
After clearing any kind of miss understanding, they helped me and my body hide the bikes and the trailer in a ditch until we came back with a new bearing and a new tire.
I would not risk my street bike on a trailer with a blown tire.
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2008, 08:06:55 PM »
OK I concede I originally thought it was ridiculous to install a hitch on the MS3 but now that I need a little more utility and can't afford a cheap truck for a 2nd vehicle, I am about to buy the hidden hitch.  Does anyone know if this comes with the ballmount?  It is pictured but I do not see it specified as coming in the package with hitch 60999.
http://www.etrailer.com/p-60999.htm

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2008, 04:35:56 PM »
yeah, you get the draw bar, which is curved, and can be mounted either normally or flipped upside down.  You are going to want to mount your draw bar so the raises the trailer up, otherwise, as you will see, it will be waaaaay too low to the ground to be safe.

So far about 8 total hours towing the tire trailer with the mazda and no problems.  I DO recommend you get an anti rattle device of some sort.  The boxed hitch system rattles like crazy!

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« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2008, 09:49:36 PM »
I just got back from a 1.5 hr tow with the trailer and I averaged 28mpg
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #79 on: May 18, 2008, 11:05:22 PM »
What's your guesses to the total weight you guys are pulling?

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« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2008, 11:15:10 PM »
trailer = ~180lbs with deck and storage box
4 tires = ~200lbs
tools, jack and jackstands in storage box = ~120lbs


for me, id guess 500lbs total with a tongue weight around 30lbs when loaded
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2008, 03:13:06 AM »
120 lbs of tools including jack stands?! :shocked:

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« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2008, 09:45:39 AM »
i would say i am close to that weight also.  I am pulling two full sets of sockets sets with me, as well as the racing jack, jack stand, portable air compressor, helmet, etc.

get a contico box, it is more than worth the 60 dollars that they cost, especially when it starts raining...

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2008, 10:58:23 AM »
Mazda specifically states in their owner's manual that no trailering should be done at all.

If you bring in your car with tranny or engine problems and there's a hitch on it, be prepared for a protracted warranty battle.

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2008, 02:22:34 PM »
Mazda specifically states in their owner's manual that no trailering should be done at all.

If you bring in your car with tranny or engine problems and there's a hitch on it, be prepared for a protracted warranty battle.
Jeez guys,
Read the OP's first post, he does not care what you think he should or should not tow with his car!  If thats all you have to offer butt out!  :quiet:

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2008, 02:37:38 PM »
Mazda specifically states in their owner's manual that no trailering should be done at all.

If you bring in your car with tranny or engine problems and there's a hitch on it, be prepared for a protracted warranty battle.
Jeez guys,
Read the OP's first post, he does not care what you think he should or should not tow with his car!  If thats all you have to offer butt out!  :quiet:

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2008, 05:22:29 PM »
Mazda specifically states in their owner's manual that no trailering should be done at all.

If you bring in your car with tranny or engine problems and there's a hitch on it, be prepared for a protracted warranty battle.
Jeez guys,
Read the OP's first post, he does not care what you think he should or should not tow with his car!  If thats all you have to offer butt out!  :quiet:

 Jim T.

Settle down, Francis.
God, you can't even get a quote right. :funny:
 It's "lighten up Francis".

 Jim T.
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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2008, 05:25:31 PM »
I saw a miata towing a tire trailer. I'm sure our cars can do it. It clearly says int he owners manual not to though.

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2008, 09:20:54 PM »
I am going to be pulling a 15' fiberglass boat with 40HP engine, or at least I am going to try.  :lol:
The trailer is heavy duty, prob weights at least 200-250, boat 250, engine 150.  Bare minimum its going to be 650 lbs with prob 80lb tongue weight at most.  I can lift up the tongue pretty easy so it cant be much more than 100 pounds if its even close to 100.

Anyone have experience with boats and thinks my numbers are way off let me know.  I'm not going to be going to far being I live in the land of 10,000 lakes.  Far trips I will have to get my brothers with SUV's on board.

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Re: Anyone pull a tire trailer (for autox) with their ms3?
« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2008, 11:32:23 PM »
Let us know how that goes with the boat.
Your tow weight should be similar to the guy in this thread with the sportbike so it must be possible