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post #21 of 623 (permalink) Old 02-04-2007, 12:44 PM
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Re: Wheel Alignment Super Thread

Vegaman, I also had the cupping problem on the back. The car just ate through tires (3 sets in 40k miles of grandma-like highway driving). None of the dealers or tire shops I took it to ever got the idea to change the toe to counteract the camber on the back. I'd like to see how that solution goes in the long run.
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Camber doesn't chew through tires, bad Toe will eat your tires extremely fast like what you described. It sounds like you have too much toe out in the rear if you are going through the tires that fast. Are the fronts wearing as quickly as the rear or are you rotating them often or what?

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Lets try to keep this simple so people can learn:
I think that most of you are giving to much information about your alignments and it will confuse people and lead to a bunch of usless questions and posts that will clutter this thread that has the potential of being very helpfull to everyone.

Try using this format: (It is simple and has all of the important info that you can actualy hand your alignment tech and say "Do It&quot

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Left Right
Before After Before After
Front:
Camber xx xx xx xx
Caster xx xx xx xx
Toe xx xx xx xx

Rear:
Camber xx xx xx xx
Toe xx xx xx xx
****************************

All of these items are worth discussing how they affect daily dirving, autox'ing, road racing. Other stuff like thrust angle, steer ahead ect. are usless. I mean your not exactly going to set your thrust angle to 45deg so you can drive diagonaly down the road . Shit like that the tech knows to get as close to 0 and if its out of a certain range then he'll tell you that your frame is prob bent.

hope this helps with future posts

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Re: Wheel Alignment Super Thread

im having springs made for my car so should i get
this - http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s...amp;perfCode=S

or this - http://www.stillen.com/product.asp?i...Eibach&r=1

WHAT REAR CAMBER KIT DO I NEED!!!! hehe help meh!!!! ;P
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Hey guys, I work for a tire store and Alignment work is what I do all day long. I will tell you that Tire maintenance is as critical as the alignment settings. I drive a 04' 2.0 sedan. Eibach drop. I believe it is 1.3" I can't remember for sure...it's the taller of the two kits they offer. Any way my specs are -1.3 camber front, -2.8 rear, -.016 toe front, 0.0 rear. The caster, and camber is not adjutable without some mods. I have not found any front camber kits as of yet, but there are some nice upper adjutable arms for the rear although I don't personally believe you need them as long as you take care of your tires. Granted I work at a tire store, and can flip my tires around at no charge, but usually you can get a pair flipped and balanced for around 50.00 . I run 245/45/17 Toyo P4's and got 45k miles on them. when I replaced them there was still 3/32's of tire left. I rotated every 5k miles and every other rotation I flipped the tires going to the front. If you take care of your tires you can still run agressive settings and get good tire wear.
As for the AutoCross camber settings... it really depends on how you drive and how "Loose" you like your car to feel.. the more Posative the rear camber the more oversteer you will creat do to a "Loose" rear end. The same can be done by playing with your air PSI and save alot of money on camber kits and alignments. When we AutoX I run Toyo 235/40/17 RA1's with 45psi front and 28psi rear. The numbers change for the rain, but if I am understeering all I do is increase the rear PSI and "Wala" oversteer. I personaly like a more neutral feel. Not a big fan of spinning the car as my 3,500.00 repair to the rear of the car showed me...lol
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[quote author=AuxOne link=topic=50918.msg1245587#msg1245587 date=1172890208]
im having springs made for my car so should i get
this - http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s...amp;perfCode=S

or this - http://www.stillen.com/product.asp?i...Eibach&r=1

WHAT REAR CAMBER KIT DO I NEED!!!! hehe help meh!!!! ;P
[/quote]They are the same... the pictures aren't really the actual products for the 3.


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Re: Wheel Alignment Super Thread

Lefty,
so basicaly what your saying is that a 1.2inch drop yields about -1.3deg of camber to the rear and -2.8 to the rear.

So the eibach 1.8''lower springs would yield maybe around -3.5deg to the rear which i think is a little to much for street driving and would require the camber kit.

I personaly think that -3deg of camber is the most anyone should go with a street setup that frequently rides backroads (too keep tire wear even). But for highway only drivig i wouldnt go more than -2

My 3 has the 1.2''drop so i assume it has similar camber specs as Leftys
My AutoX Miata has -.8deg front and -1.8deg rear (thats the most i could get out of it with the factory alignment bolts)



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post #29 of 623 (permalink) Old 03-08-2007, 12:54 AM
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I think the camber loss to the front is minimal compared to the rear... as for the camber kit I guess it realy depends on the tire wheel package you have. Typically when a car is so low to need camber kits, the tires will stand up right into the fender... so you are limited with your adjustment...
I do see alot of high end Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infinity type cars run excess of 3 degres in the rear and yes they do have a rapid rate of wear. It is a tough trade off. I am sure that a happy medium can be found with great handling... around -1.50 or so would still provide great handling and better tire wear..the price you can get the camber kits would also have a great deal to do with instaling them. I do get them at better deal than some... maybe I will get some and check back with results for ajustment vs fender clearance....that should be fun.

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Re: Wheel Alignment Super Thread

Shit, my last post was supposed to say:

Lefty,
so basicaly what your saying is that a 1.2inch drop yields about:
-1.3deg of camber to the FRONT, and
-2.8deg to the REAR.

...you prob knew what i meant though

Why cant they just give us that spec with the springs?
I guess they dont want us too know beforhand that the 1.5-1.8'' drop kits will yield a camber that requires a kit to correct.
o well, its all good, seems like most of us are sticking to the 1.2-1.3" kits

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